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Computer Upgrades

Postby Konungr » Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:27 am

Looking at upgrading a few things in my machine. My current Specs with my 2011 Alienware Aurora. I figure most of my machine is fine, but I'd like to upgrade the performance:


My System Specifications
CPU Type:
Intel® Core™ i7 CPU 930 @ 2.80GHz
CPU Speed:
2.83 GHz
System Memory:
6.43 GB
Video Card Model:
AMD Radeon HD 6970
Video Card Memory:
783.29 MB
Video Card Driver:
aticfx32.dll


What I'd like to get:
PC Part Picker List:


Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor
G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (x3? = 48GB RAM)
Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk
Seagate 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive
Gigabyte Radeon R9 270X 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card



Lemme know what y'all think...

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Re: Computer Upgrades

Postby Tinderhoof » Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:54 pm

This may be an unpopular opinion, but if you are going for an SSD for your OS drive, you should really get Windows 8 to go with it. I know people are scared of the "Metro" on a desktop, but it's very easy to ignore if you hate it, and can grow to find it very useful. The reason to go with 8 for an SSD is there are massive performance gains in 8 over 7 for SSD's.

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Re: Computer Upgrades

Postby Konungr » Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:33 pm

I'm probably going to do that anyways, mainly looking for opinions on the hardware.

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Re: Computer Upgrades

Postby Alaron » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:03 pm

Hardware looks good. I'll assume you've researched for compatibility with your current mobo. Don't know much about the Alienwares, but my Dell XPS is pretty finicky when determining what components will actually play. I probably wouldn't pay the extra for a hybrid HD if I'm already running off an SSD.

What Tinder says is right about Win8, but I experienced all kinds of headaches in migrating from a HD to SSD on my current machine, mostly because of UEFI issues. I got things working eventually, but it was a major hassle.

16GB of RAM is totally fine and is still somewhat overkill. Anything more than that is just a waste of money except for very specialized tasks (virtual machines, video editing).

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Re: Computer Upgrades

Postby Tinderhoof » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:11 pm

Alaron wrote:What Tinder says is right about Win8, but I experienced all kinds of headaches in migrating from a HD to SSD on my current machine, mostly because of UEFI issues. I got things working eventually, but it was a major hassle.

Ya I have had a long habit of always starting fresh to avoid upgrade issues (cause they can suck). I always end up putting my old hard drive in after the install to save my data, but I never use it as a base starting spot.

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Re: Computer Upgrades

Postby Konungr » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:45 pm

Unfortunately that's the one thing I can't figure out because I dunno what kind of MoBo it is, it's all fucking Alien gibberish...

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Re: Computer Upgrades

Postby Konungr » Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:11 pm

Ok, I found the MoBo model number, MS 7591, now how do I go about making sure it's compatible with the processor?

These sites list only a handful of supported Processors, but I have a feeling the list needs updated, considering the MoBo is 3-4 years old...

http://www.ascendtech.us/dell-4vwf2-ali ... 7591m.aspx
http://www.findlaptopdriver.com/alienwa ... 1-0-specs/

Everything I can find simply lists 5-6 i7 processors, I am new to computer building, so a lot of the specs are a bit confusing...

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Re: Computer Upgrades

Postby Tinderhoof » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:00 pm

If you are buying one of the new Haswell Core I5's you will want to replace your motherboard regardless if they are compatible. You will lose performance if you don't just due to the updated bridge architecture. It will be totally worth dropping one of the hard drives and reducing the amount of Ram you want if a new mobo would blow up your budget. Alaron is right, you don't need more then 16 gig for Ram.

One thing you need to make sure is to check your current DVD drive and see if it is SATA or not. Few if any new mother boards have IDE plugs anymore. If it is IDE don't worry, good SATA DVD drives are only about $20. Remember Newegg.com is your friend. Service and shipping are downright amazing.

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Re: Computer Upgrades

Postby Konungr » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:18 pm

Ok, I think I found the issue. The MS 7591 MoBo has a LGA1366 Socket, which there are only 8 Processors available that fit it:

http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/cpu/#sort=a8&qq=1&k=16

Any tips for which to get instead, currently looking at the Intel i7-970: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80613i7970

It does run a bit more expensive, but it seems the best fit, performance/cost.


Edit: I don't want to upgrade the MoBo, since if I do, I will probably use the Chasis Lighting, Liquid Cooling, and and Specific Alienware stuff. So if I can, I'll keep the MoBo, otherwise it would be easier just to build from scratch.

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Re: Computer Upgrades

Postby Konungr » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:29 pm

Here's the new build, and this will put me at 22 GB RAM (2 x 8GB RipJaws, 3 x 2GB Kingston HyperX {Current}):

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3xUyu

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Re: Computer Upgrades

Postby Tinderhoof » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:43 pm

Good god don't get a I7-970. Not only is it slower then the I5-4670K (by a noticeable amount) you were looking at, its like $400 dollars more. For the $1k you are looking to spend you could get a whole new better performing computer (including case and cooling) for much less. Trust me, if you are thinking that keeping that Mobo + Case is better because it has water cooling built in you are just going to short change yourself.

Not to keep harping on this, but you don't want more then 16gig of memory. You won't see any performance gains by going higher, and you will more likely get funny reactions by paring different size sticks together. 2 8gig sticks is the way to go.

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Re: Computer Upgrades

Postby Tinderhoof » Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:58 pm

I threw together something for you, but I have to run out the door to get home. I will post in an hour or so.

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Re: Computer Upgrades

Postby Konungr » Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:06 pm

Alright, how does this look:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3y0Jg

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Re: Computer Upgrades

Postby Tinderhoof » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:42 pm

Pretty close to what I came up with. But you don't need a sound card. The onboard sound on the mobo is just fine. I recommend Cooler Master for the case and fan:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007583%2050001333%20600006304&IsNodeId=1&name=Cooler%20Master&Order=RATING&Pagesize=20 Full towers (top one is what I have)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007583%20%20600006302%2050001333&IsNodeId=1&Order=RATING&Pagesize=20 Mid tower (top one is best on the list).
And cooling:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099 You can add another fan for $11 but unless you are going to be over clocking it's not required.

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Re: Computer Upgrades

Postby Konungr » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:02 pm

Yeah, I was originally looking at the Cooler Master HAF 912 for the case, but I'm a Razer fan boy and most of what I have is Black/Green, so I found a case that was, plus the MoBo has Onboard USB 3.0 Headers, and the Cooler Master case doesn't have Front Panel USB Ports...

Also, what are the differences between the Thermaltake Frio and the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo.


Edit: Also, I picked out a Sound Card because I wasn't sure if the MoBo would have an Integrated Sound Card on it...

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Re: Computer Upgrades

Postby Konungr » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:58 am

Latest Revisions, been researching quite a bit all night, looking at all of my options and so far this is my set-up:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3y9KH

I'm glad I decided to go ahead and do a build from scratch, I'll just have to figure out what to do with my current system once I have the new one built, hopefully I'll be able to find someone that would like to buy it, since it's still a good system.

Edit: One last thing I'm trying to decide on, Modular Power Supply or Not?

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Re: Computer Upgrades

Postby Tinderhoof » Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:12 pm

That's really up to you. It is a convenience factor really.

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Re: Computer Upgrades

Postby Paloro » Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:19 pm

I prefer a modular unit. Partially because I'm OCD about wires being tucked away, but also because it increases airflow in the system when done correctly.
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Re: Computer Upgrades

Postby Konungr » Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:56 pm

I had one of my old High School buddies also check out the build, and he pointed out that I could go with a AMD CPU for the same price and twice the cores (Which actually does help since I'm usually running about 12 programs at a time when gaming...) So I checked out a few resources, and the one that stuck out the most was JayzTwoCents, which points out the difference is mostly in cost, so I put together a build that incorporates an AMD build:

Edit: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3ypX7

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Re: Computer Upgrades

Postby Tinderhoof » Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:21 pm

I was away this weekend so I couldn't reply when I wanted too. I watched the review of the AMD vs Intel. It has some good points for what that reviewer is working with. Something he didn't cover was the fact that using BF4 as a baseline is poor for processor comparisons. BF4 and other engine preview games are much more graphics card intensive then processor intensive. MMO style games tend to be much more processor intensive and in those cases the AMD chips really fall behind. I know, I have been a loyal AMD customer for a long time due to the cost advantages. However I found in the last 3 years I had to upgrade a new proc and board every year just to keep up a playable version of WoW. In Dec 2012 I made the jump to Intel, and while the first step was painful cost wise, it was a massive difference (kept the same video card). I still have the same setup I did prior only adding an SSD this last Xmas. If FPS's is all you focus on, AMD will be fine, and just blow your budget on a good video card. If you are still going to be doing a mix of MMO's, stick with Intel. It's worth the money in the long run.

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Re: Computer Upgrades

Postby Tinderhoof » Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:24 pm

Also note the reviewer was HUGELY overclocking the AMD. If you are not doing the expensive water cooler setup he hinted at from his sponsor, you are really not going to see the performance he was seeing. Here is a great chart to look at from Toms Hardware. They update it every quarter.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106.html

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Re: Computer Upgrades

Postby Konungr » Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:17 am

Ok, well between these two builds (Everything is the same except for the CPU and MoBo), which would you suggest more:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3A0Fe
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3A0GY

I haven't touched any MMOs in quite a while, mostly just StarCraft II, an RTS. But I'm not only running the game, I'm also streaming about half the time that I'm playing, running diagnostic trackers for the game (SC2Gears), as well as Razer programs, VoIP, of course Mozilla, and a Media Player...

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4 ... MD-FX-8350

Edit: I updated the RAM from DDR3 1600 - DDR3 2400, 10 bucks difference...

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Re: Computer Upgrades

Postby Konungr » Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:57 am

The latest build, which will start next Friday. If anyone sees where improvements can be made, please feel free to speak up...

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Re: Computer Upgrades

Postby Konungr » Sat Jun 14, 2014 7:18 pm

Lol, I forgot to provide the link...

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/GGKcRB


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