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Patch Day Trinket Woes

Postby Options » Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:34 am

Patch day is rapidlly approaching and I've dinked around w/ Mew, Raw and all the usual spreed sheets, and I just can't decide what to do about my trinket dilema.

My druid is 4pT11 w/ Tsanga's off pieces, no heroic raid gear yet. My trinket options are as follows
Heroic Tia's Grace
Essence of Cyclone
Fluid Death
Unheeded Warning

With all the changes to shred mangle rake rip etc I'm not sure which to go with. My best calculations puts me w/ Fluid Death and Unheeded Warning but meh maths are at home and alas I'm at work.

Ps. Toon is Options on Deathwing, God willing im logged out in pve cat gear.

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Re: Patch Day Trinket Woes

Postby shinryu » Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:56 pm

Pretty sure Fluid Death and Unheeded Warning come out as best from what I've read, Cyclone is weaker than both if it's not the Heroic version, and H Tia's loses out to the other 2 as well.

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Re: Patch Day Trinket Woes

Postby Leafkiller » Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:20 pm

I just posted about this on the Blizzard druid forums. Here are some results from testing I did with the 4.06 Mew for my toon (equipped ilvl 346, 2 piece T11):

Fluid Death + Tia's Grace: 21410 dps
Tia's grace + Unheeded Warning: 21485 dps
Fluid Death + Unheeded Warning: 21608 dps
372 Prestor's Talisman + Unheeded Warning: 21651 dps
372 Essence of the Cyclone + Unheeded Warning: 21691 dps
372 Prestor's Talisman + 372 Essence of the Cyclone: 21644 dps

These numbers suggest that for my toon the trinket order in 4.06 is:
Unheeded Warning
372 Essence of Cyclone
372 Prestor's Talisman
Fluid Death
Tia's Grace

With Unheeded Warning and the 372 Essence of Cyclone very close. The 359 versions of Cyclone and Prestor's are below Tia's Grace. Assuming your Essence of Cyclone is the 359 version, then your best combo will likely be Fluid Death + Unheeded Warning.


Edit - my equipped average ilvl was actually 356+ when I did these tests - not 346...
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Re: Patch Day Trinket Woes

Postby Options » Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:26 pm

You guys are rockstars thanks for your help

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Re: Patch Day Trinket Woes

Postby Arctagon » Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:32 pm

Wait, Unheeded Warning suddenly jumps to be THE BiS trinket? I knew it got a major buff with the patch, but does it seriously beat everything else?

Also, Leafkiller, do those dps numbers assume fully raid buffed and with ilvl 346 gear + 2 piece T11, as you said? And are you using your own Mew script?

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Re: Patch Day Trinket Woes

Postby Leafkiller » Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:09 pm

This was based on my toon and the default sim script that is included with Mew. I just noticed I mistyped my average ilvl for when I did the testing. The profile I used had all 359 gear except for 1 ring and bracers. My weapon is the PvP weapon because Halfus hates feral druids in my guild. My gemming was 4.03 based - more blues than reds for the Relentless Meta.

And yes, Unheeded Warning jumped to the top of the list - more or less tied with the 372 Cyclone trinket.

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Re: Patch Day Trinket Woes

Postby Arctagon » Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:37 pm

Ah, I see, thank you for the answer. You see, to me it seems Unheeded Warning is still worse than many of the relevant trinkets. I do of course use the latest version of Mew. Using the default script and my current gear, I get this:

Fluid Death + Tia's Grace: 19419 dps
Tia's Grace + Unheeded Warning: 18918 dps
Fluid Death + Unheeded Warning: 19023 dps
372 Prestor's Talisman of Machination + Unheeded Warning: 18361 dps
372 Essence of the Cyclone + Unheeded Warning: 18333 dps
372 Prestor's Talisman of Machination + 372 Essence of the Cyclone: 18152 dps

It appears to suggest this trinket order for me:
Fluid Death
Tia's Grace
Unheeded Warning
372 Prestor's Talisman of Machination
372 Essence of the Cyclone

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Re: Patch Day Trinket Woes

Postby Leafkiller » Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:02 pm

Maybe it is a scaling issue - or you have not setup something correctly. You dps numbers are about 2k below mine. Are you mostly in blues?

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Re: Patch Day Trinket Woes

Postby Arctagon » Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:02 am

I am pretty sure everything was set up correctly, so it would rather be a scaling issue. My average item level is 344, so I am mostly in blues, yes, but with three epic pieces.

I tried setting it up from scratch again, just in case, but I got the same numbers. For comparison, I took Sample-372 and checked the different trinket combinations there:

Fluid Death + Tia's Grace: 26956 dps
Tia's Grace + Unheeded Warning: 26268 dps
Fluid Death + Unheeded Warning: 26394 dps
372 Prestor's Talisman of Machination + Unheeded Warning: 25655 dps
372 Essence of the Cyclone + Unheeded Warning: 25619 dps
372 Prestor's Talisman of Machination + 372 Essence of the Cyclone: 25548 dps

It is definitely not just my gear combination, as you can see.

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Re: Patch Day Trinket Woes

Postby Leafkiller » Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:23 pm

Are you adjusting your stats as you swap to/from the different trinkets or just clicking different procs in Mew? mew will not account for changes in agi/mastery/hit depending on which trinket you equip. You have to modify those yourself in addition to selecting the appropriate procs.

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Re: Patch Day Trinket Woes

Postby Arctagon » Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:22 pm

Oh, that isn't included in the trinket option? Sorry, my bad. I changed the stats as well and it looks more reasonable now, even though both Fluid Death and Prestor's Talisman comes out ahead of Essence of the Cyclone, but that might have something to do with the fact that I'm mostly blue.

I'll post the numbers just in case:
Tia's Grace + Fluid Death: 18971 dps
Tia's Grace + Unheeded Warning: 19048 dps
Fluid Death + Unheeded Warning: 19148 dps
372 Prestor's Talisman of Machination + Unheeded Warning: 19180 dps
372 Essence of the Cyclone + Unheeded Warning: 19147 dps
372 Prestor's Talisman of Machination + 372 Essence of the Cyclone: 19096 dps

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Re: Patch Day Trinket Woes

Postby shinryu » Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:27 am

I love unheeded warning...a cool 38k on Halfus :D

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Re: Patch Day Trinket Woes

Postby nytkin » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:11 pm

shinryu wrote:I love unheeded warning...a cool 38k on Halfus :D


Top cat dps in world on Halfus at 50,500!
http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/pla ... Cat_Druid/

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Re: Patch Day Trinket Woes

Postby Arctagon » Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:45 am

I pulled 36k on Halfus the first time I downed him in mostly blue gear. :x It was without Unheeded Warning, though. Oh well. Afterwards Malevolence dropped, and the guild leader, being a hunter, gave it to me over himself. It was a time of rejoice and happy kitty.

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Re: Patch Day Trinket Woes

Postby Grimmclaw » Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:35 pm

Hey there, new kitty to the forums with another trinket question. I'm on a casual raiding team that likely won't be doing much in heroics, so I don't spend too much effort researching heroic versions of gear. Right now I have Unheeded Warning (lucky enough to win it on a roll) and Darkmoon Card: Hurricane, which was generously given to me by one of my fellow team members. We recently had the reg version of Cyclone drop, and I passed on it for our hunter, but my question is, if it drops again is it a tremendous upgrade over the darkmoon card (which I would feel a little guilty about getting rid of) or would I be better off just waiting to buy Fluid Death, keeping in mind that if I don't roll on Cyclone it would be sharded.

Thanks for any advice. I hope to spend more time here and get to understand the stat weights and other things, because I really don't have a good grasp on how all that stuff works. Thanks again.

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Re: Patch Day Trinket Woes

Postby Tinderhoof » Sat Apr 23, 2011 3:42 pm

The Fluid Death (1600 VP trinket) will be a big upgrade over both the normal Cyclone, and the Darkmoon card. Reforge the hit to mastery and you will have the second best in slot behind the Heroic Cyclone. In the end if you roll for the Cyclone you will just replace it just like the darkmoon. If you pass at least someone will get a shard for an enchant.

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Re: Patch Day Trinket Woes

Postby Grimmclaw » Sat Apr 23, 2011 4:05 pm

Thanks for the quick reply! You pretty much confirmed what my gut was telling me, so I feel good about that. Thanks! :mrgreen:

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