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Mew, confused by haste value in these reports

Postby Jqar » Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:37 pm

I ran 2-3 simulations/reforging sessions before these last simulations and haste was usually valued 1,25ish, when I ran the last ones I noticed haste being valued at 1.08, i reforged accordingly and ran yet another simulation and haste ended up being valued at 1,47, up from 1,08. I thought id put this up here for everyones so that we can learn something about Mew, or maybe that I did something wrong. Can someone help me understand why haste goes from 1,08 to 1,47 after this minor reforge... ? :) I know I can just reforge according to the last result, reforge yet again, sim again, reforge again etc. and continue with my life, but this is for educational purposes aswell :) running 100k iterations, normal raid buffs (no DI etc.), using flask/pot/prepot/food. http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/g ... r/advanced


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{BonusArmor=0, WeaponSpeed=100000, Strength=112, Talent.Survival Instincts=1, BloodInTheWaterTime=0.25, Buff.UnholyFrenzy=false, Debuff.Armor=true, Mew.Class=yawning.mew.cat.CatModelSimulation, Buff.Crit=true, Talent.Pulverize=0, Talent.Perseverance=3, Glyph of Mangle=false, Talent.Berserk=1, Target.CastInterval=0, Bug.BerserkProcRate=true, Stamina=6352, Talent.Heart of the Wild=3, Simulator.Rebirth=false, Glyph of Frenzied Regeneration=false, DodgeRating=0, Talent.Fury Swipes=3, Talent.Primal Fury=2, TalentSpec=Feral Combat, Simulator.Threads=4, Buff.DarkIntent=false, Buff.MajorHaste=true, Buff.Stamina=true, Buff.PhysicalDamageIncoming=true, Simulator.PrePotion=true, Simulator.FeralChargeTravelTime=0, Talent.Endless Carnage=2, Talent.Furor=1, Target.CastLength=0, Debuff.SpellVuln=true, Pivot.StatScale=0, Simulator.AssumeExternalBleed=false, Talent.Thick Hide=0, Procs.potion=80495, Glyph of Berserk=true, Buff.TricksOfTheTrade=false, Pivot.GenerateRsv=true, Glyph of Shred=true, MetaGem=Agile, Buff.APMult=true, Glyph of Lacerate=false, Debuff.SpellCrit=true, Talent.Feral Aggression=2, Race=Night Elf, Talent.Predatory Strikes=2, Simulator.PRNG=org.apache.commons.math.random.Well19937c, Buff.StatMult=true, Talent.Stampede=2, HasteRating=1201, Talent.Blood in the Water=2, MasteryRating=1888, Talent.Master Shapeshifter=1, Talent.Natural Reaction=0, ExpertiseRating=781, Procs.items=69001,68994, Simulator.StrategyArg=, Debuff.PhysVuln=true, Simulator.AssumeExternalFF=false, Talent.Feral Swiftness=2, Buff.AgiStr=true, Level=85, Bug.GlyphOfShredSimCraft=false, Debuff.BleedDmg=true, Simulator.Iterations=100000, Glyph of Rip=true, Simulator.Tranquility=false, Armor=11110, Tier_12_4pc=false, Simulator.DurationJitter=0, Talent.Feral Charge=1, Agility=5841, Glyph of Tiger's Fury=false, Tier_12_2pc=true, Simulator.AggressiveFeralCharge=false, AttackPower=445, WeaponTop=74390, ArmorSpec=true, Simulator.HighResHz=false, Bug.PooledProcEffects=true, Simulator.Duration=480, WeaponBottom=74388, Debuff.ShatteringThrow=false, Simulator.GenerateLog=true, Buff.SpellHaste=true, Tier_11_4pc=false, Class=Druid, Simulator.AssumeExternalMangle=false, Talent.Primal Madness=0, Buff.MeleeHaste=true, Glyph of Savage Roar=false, Talent.Rend and Tear=3, Talent.Leader of the Pack=1, Glyph of Feral Charge=false, Simulator.FrontalAttacks=false, HitRating=961, Tier_11_2pc=true, Pivot.ReseedPRNG=false, Talent.Infected Wounds=0, Talent.King of the Jungle=3, PvP_gloves=false, Buff.DamageMult=true, Talent.Brutal Impact=2, Buff.Armor=true, CritRating=863}

DPS: 29113.68691 +/- 3.33821
Min/Max DPS: 26855.3125 / 31572.74375
StdDev: 538.58983

DPS (> 25%): 27632.97509
DPS (< 25%): 33555.82237

External Buffs:
Heroism uptime: 8.33333%

Resource Stats:
Energy:
Energy gained: 6341.9994
Passive: 5382
King of the Jungle: 959.9994
Energy overflow: 11.01622
Energy spent: 6412.47471
Omen of Clarity:
Nr. OoC procs: 34.46482
Procs spent: 34.20205
Procs wasted: 0.25699
Effective PPM: 4.3081
Average energy return: 35.3355
Berserk:
Nr. Berserks: 3
Average duration: 25 sec
Uptime: 15.625%
Effective regen. rate: 16.62063 e/s
Combo Points:
Combo Points gained: 262.38599
Primal Fury: 75.43234
Combo Points overflow: 54.51595
Combo Points spent: 206.01247
Gen. rate: 0.54664 cp/s

Ability Overview:
White Attack damage: 20.11843%
Uptime: 100%
Swing timer: 0.81218 sec
Fury Swipes damage: 3.75297%
Interval: 7.97348 sec
Ravage damage: 0.34151%
Mangle damage: 0.93426%
Energy spent: 4.64497%
OoC spent: 1.42667%
DPE: 414.42101
Shred damage: 25.37385%
Energy spent: 59.82766%
OoC spent: 85.62796%
DPE: 618.53546
Rake damage: 19.45131%
Energy spent: 15.90932%
OoC spent: 5.06551%
DPE: 2313.38177
Rip damage: 22.34078%
Energy spent: 6.21129%
OoC spent: 4.22444%
CPs spent: 38.94118%
DPE: 4789.56121
Ferocious Bite damage: 4.73913%
Energy spent: 7.65339%
OoC spent: 3.54074%
CPs spent: 38.89704%
DPE: 1059.09344
Savage Roar:
Energy spent: 5.59742%
CPs spent: 22.16178%
DPE: 3229.43799
Fiery Claws damage: 2.94777%

Tiger's Fury:
Nr. Tiger's Furys: 15.99999
Interval: 30.00002 sec
Uptime: 19.99974%
Ravage coverage: 75.631%
Mangle coverage: 6.52522%
Shred coverage: 30.73781%
Rake coverage: 36.35152%
Rip coverage: 27.64975%
Ferocious Bite coverage: 32.45349%

Feral Charge:
Nr. Feral Charges: 1

Savage Roar:
Nr. Savage Roars: 15.27891
Average CP cost: 2.55428
Uptime: 97.16177%

Target - Yawningstraza:
Target Debuffs:
Major Armor uptime: 99.80319%
Bleed Damage uptime: 99.71438%

White Attack:
DPS: 5855.61153
Nr. White Attacks: 591
Miss/Dodge/Glance/Crit/Hit: 0%/0%/23.99631%/39.74038%/36.26331%
Average damage: 4755.82662

Fury Swipes:
DPS: 1092.61815
Nr. Fury Swipes: 60.60462
Miss/Dodge/Crit/Hit: 0%/0%/39.71825%/60.28175%
Average damage: 8653.78657

Ravage:
DPS: 99.38913
Nr. Ravages: 1
Miss/Dodge/Crit/Hit: 0%/0%/95.522%/4.478%
Average damage: 47706.78199

Mangle:
DPS: 271.96344
Nr. Mangles: 8.99999
Miss/Dodge/Crit/Hit: 0%/0%/38.68362%/61.31638%
Uptime: 99.71438%
Average damage: 14504.7354

Shred:
DPS: 7389.03798
Nr. Shreds: 143.37378
Miss/Dodge/Crit/Hit: 0%/0%/40.09843%/59.90157%
Average damage: 24741.41845

Rake:
DPS: 5662.18538
Direct Damage:
DPS: 912.53413
Nr. Rakes: 33.57988
Miss/Dodge/Crit/Hit: 0%/0%/40.27207%/59.72793%
Average damage: 13045.37701
DoT:
DPS: 4749.65126
Nr. Ticks: 158.26324
Crit/Hit: 40.27506%/59.72494%
Average damage: 14405.44983
Uptime: 99.01488%

Rip:
DPS: 6503.71238
Nr. Rips: 16.02731
Nr. Rips (> 25%): 15.97928
Nr. Rips (< 25%): 0.04803
Miss/Dodge/Hit: 0%/0%/100%
DoT:
DPS: 6503.71238
Nr. Ticks: 229.8766
Crit/Hit: 39.90874%/60.09126%
Average damage: 13579.96097
Uptime: 95.99427%

Ferocious Bite:
DPS: 1380.70204
Nr. Ferocious Bites: 16.24824
Nr. Ferocious Bites (> 25%): 5.92159
Nr. Ferocious Bites (< 25%): 10.32665
Miss/Dodge/Crit/Hit: 0%/0%/66.36884%/33.63116%
Average extra energy: 13.53054
Average damage: 40815.91725

Fiery Claws:
DPS: 858.46688
Nr. Ticks: 198.11172
Nr. rolled: 18.25656
Rolled damage: 46856.91339
Average damage: 2080.3977

Trinkets/Procs:
Ancient Petrified Seed (378) uptime: 25%
Potion of the Tol'vir uptime: 10.41667%
Matrix Restabilizer (384) uptime: 31.17023%


Elapsed Time: 653.571982521 seconds

Relative Stat Values:

Strength: 1.4242450565025175 +/- 0.04731444343852132
Agility: 3.754187160628862 +/- 0.047507836779076634
Attack Power: 1.3564238633357308 +/- 0.04731444343852132
Haste Rating: 1.0865478497940058 +/- 0.04746436714864993
Crit Rating: 1.2527515385440346 +/- 0.04729054148362632
Mastery Rating: 1.2718605052107887 +/- 0.047277052288093695
Hit Rating: 1.110770090053787 +/- 0.004916507400482582
Expertise Rating: 1.1000039494765017 +/- 0.006039347046277
Weapon DPS: 6.11085131812968 +/- 0.04774489697799103



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I Reforged after the last sim using wowreforge.com and ran yet another sim and haste went from 1,08 to 1,47.


{BonusArmor=0, WeaponSpeed=100000, Strength=112, Talent.Survival Instincts=1, BloodInTheWaterTime=0.25, Buff.UnholyFrenzy=false, Debuff.Armor=true, Mew.Class=yawning.mew.cat.CatModelSimulation, Buff.Crit=true, Talent.Pulverize=0, Talent.Perseverance=3, Glyph of Mangle=false, Talent.Berserk=1, Target.CastInterval=0, Bug.BerserkProcRate=true, Stamina=6352, Talent.Heart of the Wild=3, Simulator.Rebirth=false, Glyph of Frenzied Regeneration=false, DodgeRating=0, Talent.Fury Swipes=3, Talent.Primal Fury=2, TalentSpec=Feral Combat, Simulator.Threads=4, Buff.DarkIntent=false, Buff.MajorHaste=true, Buff.Stamina=true, Buff.PhysicalDamageIncoming=true, Simulator.PrePotion=true, Simulator.FeralChargeTravelTime=0, Talent.Endless Carnage=2, Talent.Furor=1, Target.CastLength=0, Debuff.SpellVuln=true, Pivot.StatScale=0, Simulator.AssumeExternalBleed=false, Talent.Thick Hide=0, Procs.potion=80495, Glyph of Berserk=true, Buff.TricksOfTheTrade=false, Pivot.GenerateRsv=true, Glyph of Shred=true, MetaGem=Agile, Buff.APMult=true, Glyph of Lacerate=false, Debuff.SpellCrit=true, Talent.Feral Aggression=2, Race=Night Elf, Talent.Predatory Strikes=2, Simulator.PRNG=org.apache.commons.math.random.Well19937c, Buff.StatMult=true, Talent.Stampede=2, HasteRating=917, Talent.Blood in the Water=2, MasteryRating=1901, Talent.Master Shapeshifter=1, Talent.Natural Reaction=0, ExpertiseRating=781, Procs.items=69001,68994, Simulator.StrategyArg=, Debuff.PhysVuln=true, Simulator.AssumeExternalFF=false, Talent.Feral Swiftness=2, Buff.AgiStr=true, Level=85, Bug.GlyphOfShredSimCraft=false, Debuff.BleedDmg=true, Simulator.Iterations=100000, Glyph of Rip=true, Simulator.Tranquility=false, Armor=11110, Tier_12_4pc=false, Simulator.DurationJitter=0, Talent.Feral Charge=1, Agility=5841, Glyph of Tiger's Fury=false, Tier_12_2pc=true, Simulator.AggressiveFeralCharge=false, AttackPower=445, WeaponTop=74390, ArmorSpec=true, Simulator.HighResHz=false, Bug.PooledProcEffects=true, Simulator.Duration=480, WeaponBottom=74388, Debuff.ShatteringThrow=false, Simulator.GenerateLog=true, Buff.SpellHaste=true, Tier_11_4pc=false, Class=Druid, Simulator.AssumeExternalMangle=false, Talent.Primal Madness=0, Buff.MeleeHaste=true, Glyph of Savage Roar=false, Talent.Rend and Tear=3, Talent.Leader of the Pack=1, Glyph of Feral Charge=false, Simulator.FrontalAttacks=false, HitRating=961, Tier_11_2pc=true, Pivot.ReseedPRNG=false, Talent.Infected Wounds=0, Talent.King of the Jungle=3, PvP_gloves=false, Buff.DamageMult=true, Talent.Brutal Impact=2, Buff.Armor=true, CritRating=1134}

DPS: 29102.05961 +/- 3.34457
Min/Max DPS: 26818.99167 / 31328.98542
StdDev: 539.61465

DPS (> 25%): 27638.15564
DPS (< 25%): 33493.77152

External Buffs:
Heroism uptime: 8.33333%

Resource Stats:
Energy:
Energy gained: 6233
Passive: 5273
King of the Jungle: 960
Energy overflow: 12.1202
Energy spent: 6302.50146
Omen of Clarity:
Nr. OoC procs: 33.77159
Procs spent: 33.53514
Procs wasted: 0.23094
Effective PPM: 4.22145
Average energy return: 35.36214
Berserk:
Nr. Berserks: 3
Average duration: 25 sec
Uptime: 15.625%
Effective regen. rate: 16.34221 e/s
Combo Points:
Combo Points gained: 260.35896
Primal Fury: 76.8284
Combo Points overflow: 53.64672
Combo Points spent: 204.87938
Gen. rate: 0.54241 cp/s

Ability Overview:
White Attack damage: 19.95767%
Uptime: 100%
Swing timer: 0.82902 sec
Fury Swipes damage: 3.72232%
Interval: 8.13916 sec
Ravage damage: 0.35937%
Mangle damage: 0.9416%
Energy spent: 4.72699%
OoC spent: 1.45104%
DPE: 417.50344
Shred damage: 25.09573%
Energy spent: 59.35683%
OoC spent: 85.41093%
DPE: 626.12862
Rake damage: 19.69869%
Energy spent: 16.15524%
OoC spent: 5.22072%
DPE: 2347.27883
Rip damage: 22.64446%
Energy spent: 6.29446%
OoC spent: 4.34501%
CPs spent: 39.13093%
DPE: 4861.20758
Ferocious Bite damage: 4.68437%
Energy spent: 7.61339%
OoC spent: 3.5062%
CPs spent: 38.59553%
DPE: 1068.3781
Savage Roar:
Energy spent: 5.69442%
CPs spent: 22.27354%
DPE: 3205.71921
Fiery Claws damage: 2.89578%

Tiger's Fury:
Nr. Tiger's Furys: 16
Interval: 30 sec
Uptime: 19.99992%
Ravage coverage: 93.012%
Mangle coverage: 4.23378%
Shred coverage: 31.18909%
Rake coverage: 36.55254%
Rip coverage: 28.48606%
Ferocious Bite coverage: 32.14975%

Feral Charge:
Nr. Feral Charges: 1

Savage Roar:
Nr. Savage Roars: 15.25351
Average CP cost: 2.5581
Uptime: 97.07407%

Target - Yawningstraza:
Target Debuffs:
Major Armor uptime: 99.79996%
Bleed Damage uptime: 99.70165%

White Attack:
DPS: 5806.49972
Nr. White Attacks: 579
Miss/Dodge/Glance/Crit/Hit: 0%/0%/23.99821%/41.27711%/34.72468%
Average damage: 4813.67852

Fury Swipes:
DPS: 1083.25641
Nr. Fury Swipes: 59.3773
Miss/Dodge/Crit/Hit: 0%/0%/41.23917%/58.76083%
Average damage: 8756.71011

Ravage:
DPS: 104.54826
Nr. Ravages: 1
Miss/Dodge/Crit/Hit: 0%/0%/97.786%/2.214%
Average damage: 50183.16327

Mangle:
DPS: 273.98612
Nr. Mangles: 8.99998
Miss/Dodge/Crit/Hit: 0%/0%/40.1206%/59.8794%
Uptime: 99.70165%
Average damage: 14612.62055

Shred:
DPS: 7305.1732
Nr. Shreds: 140.02785
Miss/Dodge/Crit/Hit: 0%/0%/41.61492%/58.38508%
Average damage: 25045.1446

Rake:
DPS: 5731.9115
Direct Damage:
DPS: 922.59062
Nr. Rakes: 33.50273
Miss/Dodge/Crit/Hit: 0%/0%/41.74454%/58.25546%
Average damage: 13219.59816
DoT:
DPS: 4809.32088
Nr. Ticks: 158.1544
Crit/Hit: 41.77649%/58.22351%
Average damage: 14596.46953
Uptime: 98.92889%

Rip:
DPS: 6589.49798
Nr. Rips: 16.01705
Nr. Rips (> 25%): 15.9528
Nr. Rips (< 25%): 0.06425
Miss/Dodge/Hit: 0%/0%/100%
DoT:
DPS: 6589.49798
Nr. Ticks: 229.5001
Crit/Hit: 41.44665%/58.55335%
Average damage: 13781.75733
Uptime: 95.83837%

Ferocious Bite:
DPS: 1364.20263
Nr. Ferocious Bites: 16.0488
Nr. Ferocious Bites (> 25%): 5.82459
Nr. Ferocious Bites (< 25%): 10.22421
Miss/Dodge/Crit/Hit: 0%/0%/67.82956%/32.17044%
Average extra energy: 13.20532
Average damage: 40827.51254

Fiery Claws:
DPS: 842.98378
Nr. Ticks: 196.06009
Nr. rolled: 16.91998
Rolled damage: 43260.76298
Average damage: 2064.26777

Trinkets/Procs:
Ancient Petrified Seed (378) uptime: 25%
Potion of the Tol'vir uptime: 10.41667%
Matrix Restabilizer (384) uptime: 31.17369%


Elapsed Time: 675.837625952 seconds

Relative Stat Values:

Strength: 1.4236512915621151 +/- 0.0474045197943845
Agility: 3.7365470877040936 +/- 0.04758312080665727
Attack Power: 1.3558583729163 +/- 0.0474045197943845
Haste Rating: 1.4797191439555173 +/- 0.04738610310348821
Crit Rating: 1.2267202312495646 +/- 0.04735843707784391
Mastery Rating: 1.284914432911537 +/- 0.04736831400153112
Hit Rating: 1.1011419745487003 +/- 0.004913241477821456
Expertise Rating: 1.0943738872171291 +/- 0.006039881071799423
Weapon DPS: 6.0489124468723094 +/- 0.04783266905111029

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Re: Mew, confused by haste value in these reports

Postby Tinderhoof » Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:46 pm

Please do not use RSV's or put faith in them. They are disabled by default as they cause confusion (ie this post). Please only look at your dps results and reforge according to them not RSV's. Thanks

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Re: Mew, confused by haste value in these reports

Postby Jqar » Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:07 pm

Its just one of my new "adventures", until now i have just reforged with each stat valued at 1,2 on wowreforge.com and focus primarily on my prio list/rotation. But i wanted to try this RSV stuff and just reforge/sim in an infinite loop till it gets pretty close to optimal according to RSVs, which should be the ideal use of RSVs afaik.

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Re: Mew, confused by haste value in these reports

Postby Konungr » Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:28 pm

RSVs will fluctuate depending on your stats. For instance, before 4.2 Haste and Crit would flip flop to whichever you had less of. If you had no Haste and all Crit, it would tell you that Haste was better, if you had no Crit and all Haste, it would tell you that Crit was better. Generally any method of reforging to any of our 5 stats will do you well, though the one that seems the "safest" is Hit/Expertise > Mastery > Crit > Haste, since it sims well on a variety of different fight scenarios, usually top 3rd, and an unreforged relatively balanced set of stats from a full 378 gear set shows it as being optimal. The stat weights on wowreforge.com were derived by myself and set in place, prior, it was valuing Haste above everything, which is generally only good for Patchwerk.

There are ~3-4 Threads on these forums that go over the values of our Secondary stats in 4.2 along with my post on the WoW Druid Forums: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2592641963

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Re: Mew, confused by haste value in these reports

Postby Jqar » Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:30 pm

Ive always been aware that RSV can change alot depending on small factors such as set bonus, wep, trinkets or whatever. The stat weights on wowreforge seem very reasonable and balanced, so im most likely going to use stat weights close to that. But inb4 being reasonable about RSVs, id like to dig a little deeper into this issue as im still curious as to how haste could go from 1,08 to 1,47, thats a big leap and i really cant see how a minor reforge could affect it that much. You are providing nice general advice regarding RSVs, I appreciate it :)
Maybe there is a certain breakpoint where some extra haste would make it possible to refresh Rip a second earlier or make some Dots/SR line up perfectly, and going below a certain haste value might screw this up? I think enhance shamans had a similar issue with Stormstrike and Lavalash timing, where not following the ideal prio early in the fight might be a dps gain in the long run on a patchwerk fight as the cooldowns would line up perfectly later on, idk where I have this from, maybe im just making it up, but it kinda made sense to me once, inb4 patch 4.2 where SS got buffed.


Or maybe Fiery Claws is a part of the "haste problem"? idk if the value of haste should change so much just because of this, but people on this forum seem to have used Mew alot and might provide some insight.
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Fiery Claws:
DPS: 858.46688
Nr. Ticks: 198.11172
Nr. rolled: 18.25656
Rolled damage: 46856.91339
Average damage: 2080.3977
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Fiery Claws:
DPS: 842.98378
Nr. Ticks: 196.06009
Nr. rolled: 16.91998
Rolled damage: 43260.76298
Average damage: 2064.26777
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Re: Mew, confused by haste value in these reports

Postby Jqar » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:52 am

I ran some more sims and i noticed haste would be valued at 1,3+ when under 930 haste, it would diminish towards 949(+/-1,2), and at 950 it would suddenly drop to 1,05 ish. Seems to me that there is some breakpoint there, Ill do some more testing to see if i can find an explanation to this by excluding buffs, set bonuses etc. and running with other peoples gear profiles to see if they experience something similar. Id like to find the cause of this breakpoint as that would allow me to know if i should allow a certain haste-buffer above the breakpoint to allow for human inaccuracy or not, and im just generally curious about this.

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Re: Mew, confused by haste value in these reports

Postby Leafkiller » Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:44 pm

I suggest you read this post by Yawning:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=324&p=3129&hilit=RSV#p3129

You will find that any "breakpoints" you are finding are gear dependent and localized. It is not meaningful across the entire set of cat gearing/reforging schemes.

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