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Asking for help: Reforge + UW nerfed + Matrix Restabilizer

Postby calibro » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:33 am

Hello there, fellow druids!
I'm confused how to reforge after picking up 391 Fandral's, UW nerf and using Matrix Restabilizer.
Here's the armory.
I also have 2 372 trinkets from Nef and Halfus.
As far as i know, crit procs are better than haste or mastery because bleeds applied during the proc are modified even after it fades, right?
I also want to aim for hit/exp caps...
So, how do you think i should reforge? I think it's a very complicated question in this case =/

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Re: Asking for help: Reforge + UW nerfed + Matrix Restabiliz

Postby Lax » Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:24 am

You have done 6/7 in firelands hc and you ask about reforging? :)

Anyways, I cant read russian, but the short answer to your question is: Reforge to whatever suits your playstyle.

According to what you write, thats hit/exp cap then crit. I personally prefer hit/exp cap then mastery, then crit.

Plug the relative stat values, you like, in to wowreforge.com and you're done.

Maybe, Floofles can give some more specific advice how to reforge for ragnaros hc...

(grats on the kill btw)

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Re: Asking for help: Reforge + UW nerfed + Matrix Restabiliz

Postby calibro » Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:46 am

Lax wrote:You have done 6/7 in firelands hc and you ask about reforging? :)

Yeah, that's right)
I'm very confused as it is the first time i don't know how to do it properly.
I will do some calculations in Mew later, but that is going to take a looong time.
The problem is Matrix Restabilizer proc, mostly.

And for the ragnaros i roll with caps + haste usually.

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Re: Asking for help: Reforge + UW nerfed + Matrix Restabiliz

Postby Lax » Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:05 am

calibro wrote:The problem is Matrix Restabilizer proc, mostly.


I just picked that up monday aswell. I didnt expect it to really matter what it procced, but now you got me curious :)

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Re: Asking for help: Reforge + UW nerfed + Matrix Restabiliz

Postby Lax » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:01 am

Just did some Mew runs with lots of different reforge strategies (both hit/exp capped and no hit cap). I had raid buffs/food/pot ticked on, 100k iterations, 10% duration randomization (300 sec base), cat simulator script (no args).

Bascially, the difference between the reforge strategies was around 200 dps from the worst to the best for my character (377 ilvl). In other words it didnt really matter. I mean ... you might gain 0.6% dps in theory. How it plays out in the real fight, RNG and all, matters a lot more though.

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Re: Asking for help: Reforge + UW nerfed + Matrix Restabiliz

Postby shinryu » Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:13 pm

For the reforge questions, wowreforge.com is a good answer. Just yank up your character, enter the hit/exp values you want to hit, win win. If you value Crit as your main secondary stat for H Rag specifically for the Matrix proc, you can probably edit the stat weights to reflect Crit as your secondary stat of choice, which should in turn make the program favor reforging Mastery or Haste when trying to calculate the hit/exp caps as well, as by default wowreforge uses Mastery>Crit>Haste.

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Re: Asking for help: Reforge + UW nerfed + Matrix Restabiliz

Postby Stenhaldi » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:51 pm

calibro wrote:As far as i know, crit procs are better than haste or mastery because bleeds applied during the proc are modified even after it fades, right?

That's not true - the crit rate of a DoT is updated on the fly with the caster's crit chance. This could be easily verified using the (pre-nerf) moonkin tier 11 4-piece bonus.

Mastery, however, is only taken when the DoT is applied, so if you are looking for this property then you should go with a mastery proc.

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Re: Asking for help: Reforge + UW nerfed + Matrix Restabiliz

Postby Floofles » Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:48 am

How you reforge for ragnaros depends on your tactic and playstyle.

The way Inner Sanctum do it means I get to aoe pewpew some adds occasionally and there are times where I multidot stuff (Scions for example) or when i'm not in range of the boss but want to still do damage to him (P4) so I went with mastery > hit > expertise > all the other junk.

I was using seed and UW, i'll be using seed and FD now since I have nothing better.

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Re: Asking for help: Reforge + UW nerfed + Matrix Restabiliz

Postby Vorticose » Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:40 am

That's not true - the crit rate of a DoT is updated on the fly with the caster's crit chance. This could be easily verified using the (pre-nerf) moonkin tier 11 4-piece bonus.

I was definitely under the impression that Rip and Rake 'snapshot' stats (AP, Crit%, Mastery, %dmg modifiers like Tiger's Fury) when first applied and then:
* Doesn't 'update' if you change stats
* Doesn't 'update' stats if you Shred-Extend
* Does update stats if you refresh by 'Rip'ping again or Ferocious Biting.

I went to a training dummy and waited until Essence of the Cyclone ("Twisted") procced, and if I reapplied rake it seems like I crit more (after the buff wears off). That doesn't mean much when we're talking about going from 40% to 50% crit though.

Konungr linked his Rag log in the other thread: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-2 ... 933&e=5536
Here he has 4 crits in a row after his Agi & Crit buff fades (but on the same Rip)
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[22:12:13.817] Konungr gains Ancient Petrified Seed from Konungr
[22:12:13.817] Konungr casts Ancient Petrified Seed
[22:12:16.684] Konungr gains Twisted from Konungr
[22:12:18.128] Konungr casts Rip on Ragnaros
[22:12:18.357] Ragnaros afflicted by Rip from Konungr
[22:12:20.325] Konungr Rip Ragnaros *22102*
[22:12:22.364] Konungr Rip Ragnaros *22102*
[22:12:24.393] Konungr Rip Ragnaros 10730
[22:12:26.377] Konungr Rip Ragnaros *22102*
[22:12:26.723] Konungr's Twisted fades from Konungr
[22:12:28.396] Konungr Rip Ragnaros *22102*
[22:12:28.840] Konungr's Ancient Petrified Seed fades from Konungr
[22:12:30.440] Konungr Rip Ragnaros *22102*
[22:12:32.466] Konungr Rip Ragnaros *22102*
[22:12:34.376] Konungr Rip Ragnaros *22103*
[22:12:36.597] Konungr Rip Ragnaros *22102*
[22:12:37.624] Konungr casts Ferocious Bite on Ragnaros
[22:12:38.043] Konungr Ferocious Bite Ragnaros 8542
[22:12:38.377] Konungr Rip Ragnaros 8191
[22:12:40.663] Konungr Rip Ragnaros 8191
[22:12:42.493] Konungr Rip Ragnaros 8190
[22:12:44.391] Konungr Rip Ragnaros 8191
[22:12:46.297] Konungr Rip Ragnaros 5075
[22:12:48.309] Konungr Rip Ragnaros *16872*
[22:12:50.341] Konungr Rip Ragnaros 8190

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Re: Asking for help: Reforge + UW nerfed + Matrix Restabiliz

Postby Aurea » Sun Aug 07, 2011 4:06 am

i call statistical anomality on this... one sample is simply not enough to determine such behaviour.

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Re: Asking for help: Reforge + UW nerfed + Matrix Restabiliz

Postby Stenhaldi » Sun Aug 07, 2011 6:00 am

The moonkin t11 4-piece bonus used to increase crit chance by 99% when it triggered and it was easy to verify that this updated the crit chance of any active moonfire or insect swarm on the fly. It's possible that feral DoTs behave differently, or that crit from this set bonus is treated differently than crit from rating, but a sample size of 5-10 ticks is not nearly enough to even warrant suspicion.

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Re: Asking for help: Reforge + UW nerfed + Matrix Restabiliz

Postby Vorticose » Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:09 am

Apologies then, I know that log is definitely not strong evidence, 4 crits in a row when you have a decent chance to crit is not that unlikely, I was just looking through it for the other thread and noticed those strings of dot-crits so thought I'd bring it up.

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