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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Alpheus » Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:16 pm

Stenhaldi wrote:The cleave proc has no single-target value (it doesn't hit the target it triggered on). Legendary cloak proc is about 2% single-target damage.


Ah didn't know that, well that explains why it sims so low. Too bad, would've been fun.
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:25 pm

End of 5.4, Trinket Comparison (with various Runes):
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Note: none of the 5.4 gear is upgraded, using DoC, raid-buffed.
Edit: I'm a moron and used the wrong gear set, redoing with the T16H profile I made. (fixed)

I'll add some HotW tables soon, and I'll redo most of these once we see some number tweaks, if we get any :/
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Stenhaldi » Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:06 pm

Just a reminder that currently, it looks like valor upgrades will be available at 5.4 launch and valor will not be wiped. So pretty much every piece of loot you get will be 2/2 upgraded.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Steakbomb » Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:19 pm

any way we can get a table showing normal mode SoO trinkets to show when it would be a good idea to replace Renataki's with a SoO trinket?
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:49 pm

With the exception of set bonuses, this table should work:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4574&start=450#p18509

I'm often wrong and make many revisions, and encourage anyone to check anything I post, but it looks like Soul Charm is solid post 5.4 buff. I wish I had more experience using it -- I've been unable to get my reforged Expertise low enough <insert HTF weapon explicative> -- but it makes sense: 10sec effect, high RPPM, and it ramps up (instead of down/flat.) Rake clipping at almost any point during the buff is a gain, regardless of talents. You're given plenty of time to generate 5cp for the final tick, and you don't have to worry about sitting on 5cp for an extended duration (like live.) The fact that it's from the first boss of the previous tier is even better (somewhat depressing for those of us who still haven't seen a TF'd version). More importantly, it means our raid gears up faster during progression and we can focus on more valuable upgrades. With the exception of multi-target/AoE, I think swapping set bonuses will end up being more interesting than swapping trinkets: How good is 2p+2p? Can 553 offset beat T15 4p? etc...

Edit: I'm going to work on a few more tables: HotW vs DoC (in same table) and 4pT15, 2p+2p, 4pT16, 2pT16+offset, and 2pT15+offset in the same table (with Rune+Charm.)

I wish there was more to optimize on the gear front, but Rune makes most gear irrelevant, if you follow the rule "avoid hit/exp", and socket color/bonus differences are within the error of the sims.

As I said earlier, the AoE/multi-target stuff is still largely untested. I'm not sure what the best scenario is -- does anyone with T16 encounter knowledge have any ideas for something realistic?

Actually, instead of going to play a bit with the effect of ability lag/latency on DPS for a single set of trinkets.

This was just an experiment, with inserting a delay between abilities: they're nicely ordered but not very useful.
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HotW added to table from before with AoC alignment testing:
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:18 pm

I'm trying to finish the one-click Mastery Reforger in Catus and I'm not sure I'm doing it properly. It works like the 1:1:1 Reforger, so it includes gems/enchants, and the goal is to "maximize mastery" but there's a lot of settings. Basically, I'm not sure what the "best answer" is supposed to be. But 99.99% of the time, all of the reforging settings are stupid (and confusing), and all anyone wants (including myself) is the "best" answer.

What exactly are we looking for when we're reforging without a Rune?

I've taken the same approach I did with the 1:1:1 reforger and using multiple phases. First, I'm finding all Hit/Exp candidates (for simplicity, I'm forcing "At Least" and I'm hiding the "Range" field and setting it to 500.). So now, in sorted order, I know that there exists solutions at "2550/2550, 2550/2551, 2552/2552..." From this list, I can then find the best Agi/Mastery/Haste/Crit configuration for each Hit/Exp possibility, by using Score = Agi * AgiWeight + Mastery * MasteryWeight + Haste * HasteWeight + Crit * CritWeight. This results in some ties (reflexive reforges, gem swaps, similar gems, etc..) so I can reduce this a bit further by choosing the highest Agility, then the highest Mastery, etc. And from here, I can present a list of possible solutions. On one core, this takes <1sec.

Is there any need for lower/upper bounding on Mastery/Haste/Crit?
What other features am I missing?
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Alpheus » Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:15 pm

raffy wrote:Is there any need for lower/upper bounding on Mastery/Haste/Crit?
What other features am I missing?


It might be possible to track some kind of energy cap % statistics to see how long we've been energy capped based on bloodlust/berserk timing (depending on fight duration + AoC ilvl) and haste rating (depending again on ilvl and whether you have Rune).

I believe there's gonna be a point where haste will encounter some sort of "diminishing returns" especially since it won't increase certain RPPM trinkets (like Rune and Haromm's stats) anymore. Perhaps we should prepare some sort of empirical table of damage loss based on energy cap% and then cap our haste in reforging so it maintains energy cap% (and thus haste) to a certain level. Off the top of my head this is probably going to be more important for AoC+X trinket combinations because energy cap% will increase as the cooldowns of TF and berserk decrease.

Other than that, seeing as how Rune will stay BiS next tier, we'll end up using the 1:1:1 reforger either way :)
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Steakbomb » Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:30 pm

raffy wrote:As I said earlier, the AoE/multi-target stuff is still largely untested. I'm not sure what the best scenario is -- does anyone with T16 encounter knowledge have any ideas for something realistic?


I think Stenhaldi is probably the best person to ask about T16 encounters so far. I know MidWinter has been testing the encounters pretty heavily, idk how many he has been in on but I saw him in the group on some of Sloot's streams
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Stenhaldi » Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:47 pm

Immerseus: On heroic, lots of AoE throughout non-submerged phases. Otherwise, just multiple short-lived targets in submerge phase (with no boss target) that aren't necessarily close together (but you can cc them).

Fallen Protectors: 3-target cleave the whole fight (though you may want to avoid cleaving at times). Also some short AoE phases.

Sha of Pride: burst AoE (with boss) every minute

Norushen: lots of short-lived targets (with boss), but they're staggered and not always close together.

Galakras: lots of targets (with no boss target) in the first phase

Iron Juggernaut: single-target

Dark Shamans: 2-target cleave the whole fight. Also some burst AoE but it might be ranged-only.

Nazgrim: frequently get to cleave 1-3 adds in addition to the boss.

Malkorok: single-target

Spoils: medium number of short-lived targets, a few longer-lived, no boss

Thok: single-target most of the fight, some sustained cleave/aoe during frost phase (people gradually get frozen and you break them)

Blackfuse: single-target on boss (possibly cleaving on drills), single-target on conveyer; not really sure how this will work out on 25, but there's potential for AoE grip to cleave down mines.

Paragons: possible 2-target cleave during Korven (depends on who comes before him), otherwise mostly single-target

Garrosh: lots of AoE (with boss) in phase 1 but I'm not sure it'll have much value (depends on how much damage the iron stars end up doing to the adds). Cleaving the shaman is always good though.

All from memory, might have missed some things.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:15 am

Stenhaldi wrote:Sha of Pride: burst AoE (with boss) every minute

That seems easily testable if I allow the adds to spawn for a fixed amount of time (and then just kill them kind of randomly.)
How many adds? And how many seconds do they live for?

I got most of the Mastery reforger finished. I'll probably make a few more changes then finally push v14.
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I'm not sure what the proper weights are yet, but I've moved the defaults to a web resource, so I can change them globally:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/298 ... eights.txt
These same weights are used to sort gear and gems and other stuff inside Catus.
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Stenhaldi » Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:29 am

raffy wrote:
Stenhaldi wrote:Sha of Pride: burst AoE (with boss) every minute

That seems easily testable if I allow the adds to spawn for a fixed amount of time (and then just kill them kind of randomly.)
How many adds? And how many seconds do they live for?

Think it was 10 in 10-man, one for each player. Live for oh, 5-10 seconds? Depends on how much damage people do, but they weren't super urgent to kill (at least on normal).

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:24 pm

Very experimental "Sha of Pride" simulation:
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(Note: gray = single target)

I switch over to a nearly duplicate single-target action list, where if there are 4+ targets, my filler is Swipe or Thrash. I also force swipe using a custom "thrash_cat_perc" variable, which returns the percentage of targets that have a Thrash bleed.
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cleave: pool_resource,for_next=1,if=thrash_cat_perc<.75
cleave: thrash_cat,if=thrash_cat_perc<.75

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cleave_filler: thrash_cat,if=buff.rune_of_reorigination.up
cleave_filler: swipe_cat


Sample combat log:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/298 ... -Pride.txt
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03:00.000 >Spawned: Add01
03:00.000 >Spawned: Add02
03:00.000 >Spawned: Add03
03:00.000 >Spawned: Add04
03:00.000 >Spawned: Add05
03:00.000 >Spawned: Add06
03:00.000 >Spawned: Add07
03:00.000 >Spawned: Add08
03:00.000 >Spawned: Add09
03:00.000 >Spawned: Add10
03:00.000 +Skull Banner
03:00.000 Expect death: Boss (59.4%) @ 08:23.005 <5.4m>
03:00.012 Energy: 33
03:00.096 Energy: 34
03:00.180 Energy: 35
03:00.191 @Boss   Rake#14                            110823 Hit          +SR+TF+Mastery(30238)-Crit(7559)
03:00.264 Energy: 36
03:00.298 @Boss   Melee                               52444 Crit         +SR
03:00.298 +Sigil of Rampage<580>: +15124 Mastery
03:00.348 Energy: 37
03:00.432 Energy: 38
03:00.445 @Boss   Rip`5#18                           188690 Crit         +SR+Mastery(30238)-Crit(7559)
03:00.516 Energy: 39
03:00.600 Energy: 40
03:00.684 Energy: 41
03:00.768 Energy: 42
03:00.812 @Boss   Thrash/Cat#40                       25824 Hit          +SR
03:00.852 Energy: 43
03:00.936 Energy: 44
03:01.020 Energy: 45
03:01.069 @Boss   Melee                               56806 Crit         +SR
03:01.069 +Clearcasting
03:01.104 Energy: 46
03:01.112 @Boss   Thrash/Cat                         113180 Crit         +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:01.112 @Add01  Thrash/Cat                          51446 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:01.112 @Add02  Thrash/Cat                         113180 Crit         +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:01.112 @Add03  Thrash/Cat                         113180 Crit         +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:01.112 @Add04  Thrash/Cat                         113180 Crit         +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:01.112 @Add05  Thrash/Cat                         113180 Crit         +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:01.112 @Add06  Thrash/Cat                          51446 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:01.112 @Add07  Thrash/Cat                          51446 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:01.112 @Boss   Cleave#Add07                        51446 Hit         
03:01.112 @Add01  Cleave#Add07                        51446 Hit         
03:01.112 @Add02  Cleave#Add07                        51446 Hit         
03:01.112 @Add03  Cleave#Add07                        51446 Hit         
03:01.112 @Add04  Cleave#Add07                        51446 Hit         
03:01.112 @Add05  Cleave#Add07                        51446 Hit         
03:01.112 @Add06  Cleave#Add07                        51446 Hit         
03:01.112 @Add08  Cleave#Add07                        51446 Hit         
03:01.112 @Add09  Cleave#Add07                        51446 Hit         
03:01.112 @Add10  Cleave#Add07                        51446 Hit         
03:01.112 @Add08  Thrash/Cat                         113180 Crit         +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:01.112 @Add09  Thrash/Cat                          51446 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:01.112 @Add10  Thrash/Cat                          51446 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:01.112 -Clearcasting
03:01.188 Energy: 47
03:01.272 Energy: 48
03:01.356 Energy: 49
03:01.440 Energy: 50
03:01.524 Energy: 51
03:01.608 Energy: 52
03:01.692 Energy: 53
03:01.776 Energy: 54
03:01.840 @Boss   Melee                               15966 Glance       +SR
03:01.860 Energy: 55
03:01.944 Energy: 56
03:02.028 Energy: 57
03:02.112 Energy: 58
03:02.196 Energy: 59
03:02.280 Energy: 60
03:02.364 Energy: 61
03:02.445 @Boss   Rip`5#19                            85768 Hit          +SR+Mastery(30238)-Crit(7559)
03:02.448 Energy: 62
03:02.532 Energy: 63
03:02.611 @Boss   Melee                               16243 Glance       +SR
03:02.616 Energy: 64
03:02.700 Energy: 65
03:02.784 Energy: 66
03:02.868 Energy: 67
03:02.952 Energy: 68
03:03.036 Energy: 69
03:03.120 Energy: 70
03:03.191 @Boss   Rake#15                            243810 Crit         +SR+TF+Mastery(30238)-Crit(7559)
03:03.191 @Boss   -Rake
03:03.204 Energy: 71
03:03.288 Energy: 72
03:03.372 Energy: 73
03:03.382 @Boss   Melee                               25376 Hit          +SR
03:03.382 @Boss   Lightning Strike                   113202 Crit         
03:03.456 Energy: 74
03:03.540 Energy: 75
03:03.624 Energy: 76
03:03.708 Energy: 77
03:03.792 Energy: 78
03:03.812 @Boss   Thrash/Cat#41                       81698 Crit         +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:03.876 Energy: 79
03:03.960 Energy: 80
03:04.044 Energy: 81
03:04.112 @Add01  Thrash/Cat#1                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:04.112 @Add03  Thrash/Cat#1                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:04.112 @Add04  Thrash/Cat#1                        81698 Crit         +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:04.112 @Add05  Thrash/Cat#1                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:04.112 @Add06  Thrash/Cat#1                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:04.112 @Add07  Thrash/Cat#1                        81698 Crit         +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:04.112 @Add08  Thrash/Cat#1                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:04.112 @Add09  Thrash/Cat#1                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:04.112 @Add10  Thrash/Cat#1                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:04.112 @Add02  Thrash/Cat#1                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:04.128 Energy: 82
03:04.153 @Boss   Melee                               22430 Hit          +SR
03:04.212 Energy: 83
03:04.296 Energy: 84
03:04.380 Energy: 85
03:04.445 @Boss   Rip`5#20                            85768 Hit          +SR+Mastery(30238)-Crit(7559)
03:04.464 Energy: 86
03:04.548 Energy: 87
03:04.632 Energy: 88
03:04.716 Energy: 89
03:04.716 @Boss   Swipe                              125565 Crit         +SR+20%
03:04.716 @Add01  Swipe                              138451 Crit         +SR+20%
03:04.716 @Add02  Swipe                              122501 Crit         +SR+20%
03:04.716 @Add03  Swipe                              128851 Crit         +SR+20%
03:04.716 @Add04  Swipe                               53540 Hit          +SR+20%
03:04.716 @Add05  Swipe                              124137 Crit         +SR+20%
03:04.716 @Add06  Swipe                              128180 Crit         +SR+20%
03:04.716 @Add07  Swipe                              140181 Crit         +SR+20%
03:04.716 @Add08  Swipe                              136417 Crit         +SR+20%
03:04.716 @Add09  Swipe                              124359 Crit         +SR+20%
03:04.716 @Add10  Swipe                              130998 Crit         +SR+20%
03:04.800 Energy: 45
03:04.884 Energy: 46
03:04.924 @Boss   Melee                               24850 Hit          +SR
03:04.968 Energy: 47
03:05.052 Energy: 48
03:05.136 Energy: 49
03:05.220 Energy: 50
03:05.304 Energy: 51
03:05.388 Energy: 52
03:05.472 Energy: 53
03:05.556 Energy: 54
03:05.640 Energy: 55
03:05.695 @Boss   Melee                               17745 Glance       +SR
03:05.724 Energy: 56
03:05.808 Energy: 57
03:05.892 Energy: 58
03:05.976 Energy: 59
03:06.060 Energy: 60
03:06.144 Energy: 61
03:06.228 Energy: 62
03:06.312 Energy: 63
03:06.396 Energy: 64
03:06.445 @Boss   Rip`5#21                           188690 Crit         +SR+Mastery(30238)-Crit(7559)
03:06.466 @Boss   Melee                               53406 Crit         +SR
03:06.466 LOTP
03:06.480 Energy: 65
03:06.564 Energy: 66
03:06.648 Energy: 67
03:06.732 Energy: 68
03:06.812 @Boss   Thrash/Cat#42                       37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:06.816 Energy: 69
03:06.900 Energy: 70
03:06.984 Energy: 71
03:07.068 Energy: 72
03:07.112 @Add01  Thrash/Cat#2                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:07.112 @Add04  Thrash/Cat#2                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:07.112 @Add05  Thrash/Cat#2                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:07.112 @Add06  Thrash/Cat#2                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:07.112 @Add07  Thrash/Cat#2                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:07.112 @Add08  Thrash/Cat#2                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:07.112 @Add09  Thrash/Cat#2                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:07.112 @Add10  Thrash/Cat#2                        81698 Crit         +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:07.112 @Add02  Thrash/Cat#2                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:07.112 @Add03  Thrash/Cat#2                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:07.152 Energy: 73
03:07.236 Energy: 74
03:07.237 @Boss   Melee                               21306 Hit          +SR
03:07.320 Energy: 75
03:07.404 Energy: 76
03:07.488 Energy: 77
03:07.488 @Boss   Swipe                              134028 Crit         +SR+20%
03:07.488 @Add01  Swipe                               58483 Hit          +SR+20%
03:07.488 @Add02  Swipe                              116039 Crit         +SR+20%
03:07.488 @Add03  Swipe                               59411 Hit          +SR+20%
03:07.488 @Boss   Cleave#Add03                        59411 Hit         
03:07.488 @Add01  Cleave#Add03                        59411 Hit         
03:07.488 @Add02  Cleave#Add03                        59411 Hit         
03:07.488 @Add04  Cleave#Add03                        59411 Hit         
03:07.488 @Add05  Cleave#Add03                        59411 Hit         
03:07.488 @Add06  Cleave#Add03                        59411 Hit         
03:07.488 @Add07  Cleave#Add03                        59411 Hit         
03:07.488 @Add08  Cleave#Add03                        59411 Hit         
03:07.488 @Add09  Cleave#Add03                        59411 Hit         
03:07.488 @Add10  Cleave#Add03                        59411 Hit         
03:07.488 @Add04  Swipe                              135082 Crit         +SR+20%
03:07.488 @Add05  Swipe                               62391 Hit          +SR+20%
03:07.488 @Add06  Swipe                               56433 Hit          +SR+20%
03:07.488 @Add07  Swipe                              131095 Crit         +SR+20%
03:07.488 @Add08  Swipe                               61600 Hit          +SR+20%
03:07.488 @Add09  Swipe                              118490 Crit         +SR+20%
03:07.488 @Add10  Swipe                              126426 Crit         +SR+20%
03:07.572 Energy: 33
03:07.656 Energy: 34
03:07.740 Energy: 35
03:07.824 Energy: 36
03:07.908 Energy: 37
03:07.992 Energy: 38
03:08.008 @Boss   Melee                               22191 Hit          +SR
03:08.076 Energy: 39
03:08.160 Energy: 40
03:08.244 Energy: 41
03:08.328 Energy: 42
03:08.412 Energy: 43
03:08.445 @Boss   Rip`5#22                           188690 Crit         +SR+Mastery(30238)-Crit(7559)
03:08.496 Energy: 44
03:08.580 Energy: 45
03:08.664 Energy: 46
03:08.748 Energy: 47
03:08.779 @Boss   Melee                               55815 Crit         +SR
03:08.832 Energy: 48
03:08.916 Energy: 49
03:09.000 Energy: 50
03:09.072 @Boss   Swipe                               61120 Hit          +SR+20%
03:09.072 @Add01  Swipe                               63396 Hit          +SR+20%
03:09.072 @Add02  Swipe                              132220 Crit         +SR+20%
03:09.072 @Add03  Swipe                              138185 Crit         +SR+20%
03:09.072 @Add04  Swipe                              137344 Crit         +SR+20%
03:09.072 @Add05  Swipe                               60009 Hit          +SR+20%
03:09.072 @Boss   Cleave#Add05                        60009 Hit         
03:09.072 @Add01  Cleave#Add05                        60009 Hit         
03:09.072 @Add02  Cleave#Add05                        60009 Hit         
03:09.072 @Add03  Cleave#Add05                        60009 Hit         
03:09.072 @Add04  Cleave#Add05                        60009 Hit         
03:09.072 @Add06  Cleave#Add05                        60009 Hit         
03:09.072 @Add07  Cleave#Add05                        60009 Hit         
03:09.072 @Add08  Cleave#Add05                        60009 Hit         
03:09.072 @Add09  Cleave#Add05                        60009 Hit         
03:09.072 @Add10  Cleave#Add05                        60009 Hit         
03:09.072 @Add06  Swipe                               53699 Hit          +SR+20%
03:09.072 @Add07  Swipe                              128890 Crit         +SR+20%
03:09.072 @Add08  Swipe                               56477 Hit          +SR+20%
03:09.072 @Add09  Swipe                               51679 Hit          +SR+20%
03:09.072 @Add10  Swipe                              116161 Crit         +SR+20%
03:09.084 Energy: 6
03:09.168 Energy: 7
03:09.252 Energy: 8
03:09.336 Energy: 9
03:09.420 Energy: 10
03:09.504 Energy: 11
03:09.550 @Boss   Melee                               21675 Hit          +SR
03:09.588 Energy: 12
03:09.672 Energy: 13
03:09.756 Energy: 14
03:09.812 @Boss   Thrash/Cat#43                       81698 Crit         +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:09.840 Energy: 15
03:09.924 Energy: 16
03:10.000 -Skull Banner
03:10.008 Energy: 17
03:10.092 Energy: 18
03:10.112 @Add01  Thrash/Cat#3                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:10.112 @Add04  Thrash/Cat#3                        74271 Crit         +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:10.112 @Add05  Thrash/Cat#3                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:10.112 @Boss   Cleave#Add05                        37135 Hit         
03:10.112 @Add01  Cleave#Add05                        37135 Hit         
03:10.112 @Add02  Cleave#Add05                        37135 Hit         
03:10.112 @Add03  Cleave#Add05                        37135 Hit         
03:10.112 @Add04  Cleave#Add05                        37135 Hit         
03:10.112 @Add06  Cleave#Add05                        37135 Hit         
03:10.112 @Add07  Cleave#Add05                        37135 Hit         
03:10.112 @Add08  Cleave#Add05                        37135 Hit         
03:10.112 @Add09  Cleave#Add05                        37135 Hit         
03:10.112 @Add10  Cleave#Add05                        37135 Hit         
03:10.112 @Add06  Thrash/Cat#3                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:10.112 @Add07  Thrash/Cat#3                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:10.112 @Add08  Thrash/Cat#3                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:10.112 @Add09  Thrash/Cat#3                        74271 Crit         +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:10.112 @Add10  Thrash/Cat#3                        74271 Crit         +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:10.112 @Add02  Thrash/Cat#3                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:10.112 @Add03  Thrash/Cat#3                        74271 Crit         +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:10.176 Energy: 19
03:10.260 Energy: 20
03:10.321 @Boss   Melee                               21728 Hit          +SR
03:10.321 @Boss   Lightning Strike                    51456 Hit         
03:10.344 Energy: 21
03:10.428 Energy: 22
03:10.445 @Boss   Rip`5#23                            85768 Hit          +SR+Mastery(30238)-Crit(7559)
03:10.445 @Boss   -Rip
03:10.512 Energy: 23
03:10.596 Energy: 24
03:10.680 Energy: 25
03:10.764 Energy: 26
03:10.848 Energy: 27
03:10.932 Energy: 28
03:11.016 Energy: 29
03:11.092 @Boss   Melee                               16170 Glance       +SR
03:11.100 Energy: 30
03:11.184 Energy: 31
03:11.193 >Killed: Add04
03:11.268 Energy: 32
03:11.352 Energy: 33
03:11.436 Energy: 34
03:11.520 Energy: 35
03:11.530 >Killed: Add09
03:11.604 Energy: 36
03:11.688 Energy: 37
03:11.772 Energy: 38
03:11.856 Energy: 39
03:11.863 @Boss   Melee                               17738 Glance       +SR
03:11.940 Energy: 40
03:12.024 Energy: 41
03:12.108 Energy: 42
03:12.192 Energy: 43
03:12.276 Energy: 44
03:12.360 Energy: 45
03:12.430 >Killed: Add07
03:12.444 Energy: 46
03:12.528 Energy: 47
03:12.612 Energy: 48
03:12.634 @Boss   Melee                               22566 Hit          +SR
03:12.643 >Killed: Add08
03:12.696 Energy: 49
03:12.780 Energy: 50
03:12.812 @Boss   Thrash/Cat#44                       37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:12.826 @Boss   Swipe                              109002 Crit         +SR+20%
03:12.826 @Add01  Swipe                              108898 Crit         +SR+20%
03:12.826 @Add02  Swipe                               61662 Hit          +SR+20%
03:12.826 @Add03  Swipe                               59554 Hit          +SR+20%
03:12.826 @Add05  Swipe                               59985 Hit          +SR+20%
03:12.826 @Add06  Swipe                              107103 Crit         +SR+20%
03:12.826 @Add10  Swipe                               51498 Hit          +SR+20%
03:12.864 Energy: 6
03:12.948 Energy: 7
03:13.032 Energy: 8
03:13.112 @Add01  Thrash/Cat#4                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:13.112 @Add05  Thrash/Cat#4                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:13.112 @Add06  Thrash/Cat#4                        74271 Crit         +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:13.112 @Add10  Thrash/Cat#4                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:13.112 @Add02  Thrash/Cat#4                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:13.112 @Add03  Thrash/Cat#4                        37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:13.116 Energy: 9
03:13.200 Energy: 10
03:13.284 Energy: 11
03:13.368 Energy: 12
03:13.405 @Boss   Melee                               24504 Hit          +SR
03:13.452 Energy: 13
03:13.514 >Killed: Add03
03:13.536 Energy: 14
03:13.620 Energy: 15
03:13.704 Energy: 16
03:13.788 Energy: 17
03:13.872 Energy: 18
03:13.956 Energy: 19
03:14.040 Energy: 20
03:14.124 Energy: 21
03:14.176 @Boss   Melee                               15108 Glance       +SR
03:14.208 Energy: 22
03:14.292 Energy: 23
03:14.376 Energy: 24
03:14.460 Energy: 25
03:14.544 Energy: 26
03:14.628 Energy: 27
03:14.712 Energy: 28
03:14.796 Energy: 29
03:14.826 +TF: +60 (29 > 89)
03:14.826 +Berserk
03:14.826 +Synapse Springs
03:14.826 @Boss   Swipe                              140858 Crit         +SR+TF+Agi(1920)+20%
03:14.826 @Add01  Swipe                              140605 Crit         +SR+TF+Agi(1920)+20%
03:14.826 @Add02  Swipe                              148727 Crit         +SR+TF+Agi(1920)+20%
03:14.826 @Boss   Cleave#Add02                       148727 Hit         
03:14.826 @Add01  Cleave#Add02                       148727 Hit         
03:14.826 @Add05  Cleave#Add02                       148727 Hit         
03:14.826 @Add06  Cleave#Add02                       148727 Hit         
03:14.826 @Add10  Cleave#Add02                       148727 Hit         
03:14.826 @Add05  Swipe                              125110 Crit         +SR+TF+Agi(1920)+20%
03:14.826 @Add06  Swipe                              127468 Crit         +SR+TF+Agi(1920)+20%
03:14.826 @Add10  Swipe                              145916 Crit         +SR+TF+Agi(1920)+20%
03:14.880 Energy: 68
03:14.947 @Boss   Melee                               18253 Glance       +SR+TF+Agi(1920)
03:14.964 Energy: 69
03:15.000 Expect death: Boss (55.9%) @ 07:59.188 <4.7m>
03:15.048 Energy: 70
03:15.132 Energy: 71
03:15.146 >Killed: Add02
03:15.216 Energy: 72
03:15.298 -Sigil of Rampage<580>
03:15.300 Energy: 73
03:15.384 Energy: 74
03:15.468 Energy: 75
03:15.552 Energy: 76
03:15.636 Energy: 77
03:15.718 @Boss   Melee                               25003 Hit          +SR+TF+Agi(1920)
03:15.718 +Clearcasting
03:15.720 Energy: 78
03:15.804 Energy: 79
03:15.812 @Boss   Thrash/Cat#45                       37135 Hit          +SR+Mastery(15124)
03:15.826 @Boss   Thrash/Cat                          87970 Crit         +SR+TF+Agi(1920)
03:15.826 @Add01  Cleave#Boss                         87970 Hit         
03:15.826 @Add05  Cleave#Boss                         87970 Hit         
03:15.826 @Add06  Cleave#Boss                         87970 Hit         
03:15.826 @Add10  Cleave#Boss                         87970 Hit         
03:15.826 @Add01  Thrash/Cat                          43985 Hit          +SR+TF+Agi(1920)
03:15.826 @Add05  Thrash/Cat                          43985 Hit          +SR+TF+Agi(1920)
03:15.826 @Add06  Thrash/Cat                          87970 Crit         +SR+TF+Agi(1920)
03:15.826 @Add10  Thrash/Cat                          87970 Crit         +SR+TF+Agi(1920)
03:15.826 -Clearcasting
03:15.888 Energy: 80
03:15.972 Energy: 81
03:16.056 Energy: 82
03:16.112 @Add01  Thrash/Cat#5                        31796 Hit          +SR+TF+Agi(1920)
03:16.112 @Add05  Thrash/Cat#5                        63593 Crit         +SR+TF+Agi(1920)
03:16.112 @Add10  Thrash/Cat#5                        63593 Crit         +SR+TF+Agi(1920)
03:16.112 @Add06  Thrash/Cat#5                        63593 Crit         +SR+TF+Agi(1920)
03:16.140 Energy: 83
03:16.224 Energy: 84
03:16.308 Energy: 85
03:16.392 Energy: 86
03:16.476 Energy: 87
03:16.489 @Boss   Melee                               21159 Glance       +SR+TF+Agi(1920)
03:16.500 >Killed: Add06
03:16.560 Energy: 88
03:16.644 Energy: 89
03:16.728 Energy: 90
03:16.812 Energy: 91
03:16.826 @Boss   Swipe                              133162 Crit         +SR+TF+Agi(1920)+20%
03:16.826 @Add01  Swipe                              126526 Crit         +SR+TF+Agi(1920)+20%
03:16.826 @Add05  Swipe                              126820 Crit         +SR+TF+Agi(1920)+20%
03:16.826 @Add10  Swipe                              129361 Crit         +SR+TF+Agi(1920)+20%
03:16.896 Energy: 70
03:16.980 Energy: 71
03:17.064 Energy: 72
03:17.148 Energy: 73
03:17.232 Energy: 74
03:17.260 @Boss   Melee                               18658 Glance       +SR+TF+Agi(1920)
03:17.316 Energy: 75
03:17.400 Energy: 76
03:17.484 Energy: 77
03:17.568 Energy: 78
03:17.652 Energy: 79
03:17.736 Energy: 80
03:17.820 Energy: 81
03:17.826 @Boss   Swipe                              142417 Crit         +SR+TF+Agi(1920)+20%
03:17.826 @Boss   Lightning Strike                    55341 Hit          +Agi(1920)
03:17.826 @Add01  Swipe                              132932 Crit         +SR+TF+Agi(1920)+20%
03:17.826 @Add05  Swipe                              132716 Crit         +SR+TF+Agi(1920)+20%
03:17.826 @Add10  Swipe                              125190 Crit         +SR+TF+Agi(1920)+20%
03:17.904 Energy: 60
03:17.988 Energy: 61
03:18.031 @Boss   Melee                               52420 Crit         +SR+TF+Agi(1920)
03:18.031 LOTP
03:18.072 Energy: 62
03:18.156 Energy: 63
03:18.240 Energy: 64
03:18.324 Energy: 65
03:18.408 Energy: 66
03:18.492 Energy: 67
03:18.576 Energy: 68
03:18.660 Energy: 69
03:18.744 Energy: 70
03:18.802 @Boss   Melee                               28327 Hit          +SR+TF+Agi(1920)
03:18.812 @Boss   Thrash/Cat#46                       31796 Hit          +SR+TF+Agi(1920)
03:18.826 *SR`2: 25.48s (2.47s)
03:18.826 @Boss   Combo: 1 (+1)
03:18.828 Energy: 67
03:18.912 Energy: 68
03:18.996 Energy: 69
03:19.080 Energy: 70
03:19.112 @Add01  Thrash/Cat#6                        63593 Crit         +SR+TF+Agi(1920)
03:19.112 @Add10  Thrash/Cat#6                        63593 Crit         +SR+TF+Agi(1920)
03:19.112 @Add05  Thrash/Cat#6                        63593 Crit         +SR+TF+Agi(1920)
03:19.164 Energy: 71
03:19.248 Energy: 72
03:19.283 >Killed: Add01
03:19.332 Energy: 73
03:19.416 Energy: 74
03:19.500 Energy: 75
03:19.573 @Boss   Melee                               21454 Glance       +SR+TF+Agi(1920)
03:19.584 Energy: 76
03:19.668 Energy: 77
03:19.695 >Killed: Add10
03:19.728 >Killed: Add05


Edit: fuck, my swipe doesn't generate CP.
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Stenhaldi » Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:01 pm

I'd suggest that it's probably more relevant to look at 561 trinkets than to look at 553 trinkets, since valor upgrades are available from the outset and valor is not wiped.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:07 pm

Oh cool, good to know. I'll do most of the T16 stuff as upgraded.

I finally found that odd crash "Catus takes forever to launch" bug, it was related to my API, when ptr.wowhead.com rejects my spam, and I was returning an error message which was being interpreted as JSON, and throwing an error in Catus where I thought no error couldn't occur.

Edit: btw, my Feral PTR gear list has all of the 5.4 stuff:
http://raffy.antistupid.com/wow/ptr_gear.php
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Yriss » Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:56 pm

hum, i have a problem with catus ...
I'm not able to load 5.4 item with their item id, i receive a blizzard api error. Perhaps it's because these items aren't on live server yet, but is there a way to load them ? I probably miss something (i wanted to load "real" t16, not a place holder, stats and gems aren't the same)

On a ptr test, i wanted to use catus to reforge my gear @520 ilvl, trying to optimise my RoR for our first r25. When i reforged and went to raid, i saw there were a difference on each piece (more stats on ptr if i remember, for a 520 ilvl), of course all my reforge was bad. I don't know if there is the same problem for all scaling, it was the first time i was able to dps, i didn't try this option before.
btw, an option to rescale all our stuff at the same time could be great for ptr :p

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:16 pm

I think all of the PTR gear is available in Catus already:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/298 ... a/Gear.txt

If you want to load PTR item directly, enter the item ID as a negative. I'd recommend using the Catus Beta for this, as I don't think the latest PTR items will properly scale if you upgrade them/change their ilvl in v13 (too much has changed on my end and I haven't released a new Catus in a while.) Additionally, v13 doesn't invalidate it's gear when the PTR changes, so you may have downloaded very early PTR gear. I wouldn't trust v13 for anything PTR-related.

If you get the Beta, you can batch custom item scale using this technique:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1883&start=175#p18518

I haven't raided on the PTR to see how raid scaling works, is it like challenge mode? Or are they just directly adjusting the item level.

v14 should be out soon, definitely before 5.4 goes live, possibly this weekend, but I always say that :p
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Yriss » Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:43 pm

thx, i'll try beta tommorrow, lot of (20min ?) r25 testing !

I haven't raided on the PTR to see how raid scaling works, is it like challenge mode? Or are they just directly adjusting the item level.

they adjust directly item level on each piece

you already do a great job ;)

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Raudo » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:55 am

I can't adjust ilvl down, only up.

Headpiece of the Shattered Vale 553: 1840 agi.
Headpiece of the Shattered Vale scaled down to 520: 1840 agi.

I was trying to get a 1:1:1 reforge for flexy raid, but no idea how. This was using catus v13 and the latest beta version.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby keuken » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:04 am

Hi!
I got the rune trinket last week and I've searched for some tricks to help me tweak and optimize my monk.
So I downloaded your program and tried to make it to work. But it just states error all the time over and over.
What am I doing wrong? it just says "none of the hit/exp solutions meet your criteria. Try increasing the overflow or reducing the gaps.
I've tried that, with all different numbers, and increasing the range field as you wrote. But I'm still stuck.
Could you give som advice?

Here's the armoury: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/f ... ken/simple

Thank you

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Tinderhoof » Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:58 pm

With the change to your mastery coming week after next I wouldn't put a lot of money or time into reforging as Rune will no longer be the go to option for Monks.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby keuken » Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:31 pm

Ah alright, thanks for the help!

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:02 pm

As Tinderhoof said, the 1:1:1 Rune stuff for Monk's is only valid until for a few more weeks (when 5.4 is released). Zephyrus will still work, but the Rune won't be nearly as good for you as it is right now.

At 508 ilvl, you typically need to relax the search Range field, which says how sloppy the Hit/Exp can be. I changed it to "200" and got an answer immediately. Try these settings:
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1. set to EU, "Keuken", hit return
2. set Range to 200
3. hit "Reforge"
4. hit "Minimize Cost"
5. hit "Export to Reforgerade" for reforges
6. hit "Shopping List" for gem/enchant changes
(and you're missing a ring enchant)
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:25 pm

Raudo wrote:I can't adjust ilvl down, only up.

Headpiece of the Shattered Vale 553: 1840 agi.
Headpiece of the Shattered Vale scaled down to 520: 1840 agi.

I was trying to get a 1:1:1 reforge for flexy raid, but no idea how. This was using catus v13 and the latest beta version.

Oh oops, I don't know how I screwed that up. Thanks for the report.
Fixed: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/298 ... stBeta.zip

Edit: this has the first iteration of the Secondary Maximizer. It's still missing minimize cost functionality, but it will have that in the next update. If you use it, it might do things that are unexpected, but if you check the math, it you'll see that it's correct. For example, using my gear, it will put a Agi/Hit gem in one of my prismatic slots, since this allows the Hit/Exp to get tighter, and results in a higher overall score. Other than that, it works just like the 1:1:1 reforger, including the slot freeze checkboxes, Export Reforgerade, Shopping List, and Compare to Armory.
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Yriss » Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:28 pm

Raudo wrote:I can't adjust ilvl down, only up.

Headpiece of the Shattered Vale 553: 1840 agi.
Headpiece of the Shattered Vale scaled down to 520: 1840 agi.

I was trying to get a 1:1:1 reforge for flexy raid, but no idea how. This was using catus v13 and the latest beta version.


oh ... it's probably the same issue i had ^^
I didn't notice it wasn't working for scalling down ... and yesterday i had to tank on a boss and heal on 3 others, so i didn't try reforging for rune again ...

nice there is already a fix for that ! it'll help for next test :)

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:29 pm

I restored the quick select feature, it's accessible if you click on the item description:
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Build 17314:
http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=102248
Feral gets 1.3x RPPM modifier for the cloak. I'm still modeling it with an ICD.

Edit: updated beta to reflect this Also added menu in Gear section to easily batch change the item level:
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And if you click on the red audit warning, it will generate a little report of what's missing:
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