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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby aggixx » Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:45 am

It means it's looking for a better solution than is possible with your gear, increasing the value in the Range textbox will let it look for "worse" solutions but makes it take longer.
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Fatsteak » Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:32 am

i put the range at like 10000 and it still couldnt find anything so idont kno:( do u get somthing different with your catus? cause no matter wat i change it doesnt work

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby aggixx » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:58 am

Reforges fine for me with every combination of settings I tried, although I don't know if you're trying to keep your gems/enchants or something.

If you set Mastery Overflow and Range both to like 1000 (will take a while) and it doesn't find a result then I'm not sure what to tell you. If you're only letting it reforge specific pieces or limiting it in some way then it's possible it just can't get Hit or Expertise low enough while keeping mastery higher than crit/haste.

PS: Don't set range to 10000, that's basically telling it to look through every possible solution (billions, or something like that). Also, guessing from your gems you're guardian MS? You can put secondary gems into your feral gear with that Rune, it'll be higher DPS (and will look less silly when you're using half guardian gear and half feral gear =P).
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:09 am

Can you post a screenshot of your reforger settings? Reforges fine for me using strict settings:
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Fatsteak » Thu Jan 16, 2014 7:29 pm

it works for me now aswell! hazzah i dont know wat i had weird in here but i jst copied what u had in your SS and it works now. i must jst be extremely dumb :( and yes my MS is guardian and im slowly picking up feral pieces haha

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Maengorn » Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:06 pm

My realm just got connected with two other realms and since the merge Catus is unable to find my character on the WoW Armory. i can find it just fine and the URL doesn't appear to have changed. Has anyone else on a connected realm run into this?
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:55 pm

Your realm got merged or connected?

I believe your armory page still exists: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/d ... orn/simple
But your armory data doesn't: http://us.battle.net/api/wow/character/ ... h/Maengorn
I made a post here: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/11307850955
Blizzard usually fixes these issues quickly.

If you're actually on a different realm, you can just manually enter the realm information:
"Maengorn RealmName!" (with an exclamation point)
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Maengorn » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:35 pm

raffy wrote:Your realm got merged or connected?

I believe your armory page still exists: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/d ... orn/simple
But your armory data doesn't: http://us.battle.net/api/wow/character/ ... h/Maengorn
I made a post here: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/11307850955
Blizzard usually fixes these issues quickly.

If you're actually on a different realm, you can just manually enter the realm information:
"Maengorn RealmName!" (with an exclamation point)


Sorry it got connected with two more not merged. Thanks for making the post on the blizzard forums. it doesn't look like its fixed yet and no blues commented.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Jimbizzle » Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:45 pm

As previously mentioned by Fatsteak, I'm unable to use the RoRo feature to reforge my druids gear, I have a suspecting feeling that it's because of the level of my gear, but I am unsure.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/a ... %A9/simple

Here is my armory link.

I keep getting the repeated message about no solutions meet my criteria, I've tried increasing mastery and hit/exp range to 10,000, this didn't change anything, it just took a few seconds longer. Any tips / help?~

Thanks

- Jimbizzle.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby scorpio0920 » Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:18 pm

Jimbizzle wrote:As previously mentioned by Fatsteak, I'm unable to use the RoRo feature to reforge my druids gear, I have a suspecting feeling that it's because of the level of my gear, but I am unsure.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/a ... %A9/simple

Here is my armory link.

I keep getting the repeated message about no solutions meet my criteria, I've tried increasing mastery and hit/exp range to 10,000, this didn't change anything, it just took a few seconds longer. Any tips / help?~

Thanks

- Jimbizzle.


I tried.

btw:
I suggest that you do not reforge 1:1:1 at this stage.
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:20 am

Your gear is low item level so I'd start with the Red gem option.

Using the default settings: 7.5%/7.5%/250range/100overflow, I get the error you describe.

When I click "Find Bounds":
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w/o Gems and Enchants:
       Hit      1871      5768
 Expertise       273      4170
   Mastery      1629      5385
     Haste      1767      5528
      Crit      5063 <--- 8854 --- minimum crit is very high

Basically the issue is that no matter what you do, your Crit ends up being the leading stat, which isn't a valid Mastery 1:1:1 reforge.

The first thing to try is increasing the Overflow, as the error message describes, to a larger number. I tried 1000 and 10000 but they both failed.

Your only option at this point is to try the Orange gem mode (or Yellow if that fails as well.) The Orange mode was added for people with strange gear configurations that can't achieve 1:1:1 using Red gems. It's also pretty useful for lower item level kitties.

1000 overflow with Orange gems results in:
Hit: 2552, Expertise: 2550, Mastery: 5935, Haste: 3024, Crit: 5898
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Jimbizzle » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:27 am

scorpio0920 wrote:btw:
I suggest that you do not reforge 1:1:1 at this stage.


Can you maybe explain to me in some small detail why it isn't beneficial for me to use 1:1:1 yet? Sorry for the questions, I've not played Feral since HC LK Progress, things have changed a bit since then!

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:44 pm

The Rune might feel a bit underwhelming at low item levels (it's not used in Challenge Modes, for example.) You'll be extremely energy deprived so the rotation will feel very tight, especially when attacking multiple adds. It's possible that using two agility trinkets and reforging to maximize mastery is better and more enjoyable. The Rune also is frustrating while you are gearing up since each new piece of gear requires a complete reforge in most cases. That said, since it's such a great trinket, there's nothing wrong with some early practice :)
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby baver » Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:58 pm

Just need to ask a random question in here! Wasent hit and expertise cap 2550 befor? because you get capped at 2549 (yea big dpsboost!) but i just dont remember when/if they change it :)

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:30 pm

It's just rounding for display at 2 decimals: 340/2549 = 7.497% => "7.50%"

Technically, max DPS comes from gear under Hit/Exp cap, since you have more total secondaries -- it's just you're more likely to get a decent parse with capped Hit/Exp, than get an amazing parse with a chance to miss.
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby redieh » Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:36 pm

Hi, i am new to Catus, can you give me a short introduction? What do i have to do First if i only want to reforge and Gem my Kitty? ( Molagan, EU - Frostwolf).
I import my char, and then what is the next step?
Do i have to sim new statwights?
If i do this with all Buffs (i am in a 25 Raid), flask an food i get:

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[Import String]
Agility: 9.20
Weapon Damage: 5.56
Mastery: 5.03
Expertise: 4.91
Hit: 4.90
Critical Strike: 3.71
Strength: 3.57
Haste: 3.22
Attack Power: 3.10

[Encounter]
Name: Patchwerk
Desc: Standard single-target encounter with (+3) level boss who dies when their health reaches 0.0% after approximately 7.5m of combat. The boss can block. The boss can parry. The boss can dodge.

[Talents/Glyphs/Bonuses]
Soul of the Forest
Dream of Cenarius
Glyph of Cat Form
Glyph of Savagery
Tier 16: 2p
Tier 16: 4p

[Combat Preparation]
Pre-Potion: null
Savage Roar: false
Healing Touch: false
Proc Reset: Standard
Opener: Ravage
Finisher0: Default Finisher

[Temp Effects]
Heroism: None
Berserking: false
Lifeblood: false
Stormlash: 0
Skull Banner: 0
Shattering: 0
Tricks: 0
Unholy Frenzy: 0

[Consumables]
Flask: Flask of Spring Blossoms: +1320 Agility
Food: +300 Agility
Potion: null

[Rotation]
Action Delay: Uniform(0,50)
Reaction Time: Const(250)
Generator: Shrangle
Symbiosis: No Symbiosis

[Features]
Challenge Mode: false
TF during Berserk: false
Proper Rip Extend: false
Local Rip Extend: false
Inert Stats: -29 Hit, -21 Expertise
Active Stats: None

[Profile]
?Troll, Jewelcrafting, Alchemy
104413 +8 >tm :95346 :76670 # Head: [574] Hood of Blackened Tears
104411 +8 >tc # Neck: [574] Immerseus' Crystalline Eye
99184 +8 >tm :83151 :76692 "Greater Tiger Claw Inscription" # Shoulder: [561] Spaulders of the Shattered Vale
102248 +8 >te :76692 "Superior Critical Strike" # Back: [608] Fen-Yu, Fury of Xuen
99326 +8 :83151 :76692 :76692 "Glorious Stats" # Chest: [574] Raiment of the Shattered Vale
104836 +8 >hm "Greater Agility" # Wrist: [548] Mantid Carapace Augments
99327 +8 >ce :76692 :76692 "Superior Mastery" # Hands: [574] Grips of the Shattered Vale
98613 +8 >he :76692 :76692 :76692 Socket # Waist: [561] Snow Lily Belt
99183 +8 >tm :76670 :76670 "Shadowleather Leg Armor" # Legs: [561] Legguards of the Shattered Vale
105582 +8 >te :76692 "Blurred Speed" # Feet: [580] Pandaren Roofsprinters
104455 +8 >hm :76692 # Finger 1: [574] Reality Ripper Ring
105126 +8 >th :76692 # Finger 2: [536] Kil'ruk's Band of Ascendancy
104531 +8 # Trinket 1: [574] Haromm's Talisman
104865 +8 # Trinket 2: [548] Ticking Ebon Detonator
103974 +8 >ch :76692 "Dancing Steel" # Main Hand: [561] Kor'kron Spire of Supremacy

=== Baseline ===

Stats: 69817 AP, 31518 Agi, 111.04% Mastery, 53.03% Crit, 12.49% Haste, 7.50% Hit, 7.50% Exp

[DPS] = 328.5K
Mean: 329338 +/- 137.79 (13779)
Median: 328531
25%/75%: 319.6K - 338.2K
10%/90%: 312.4K - 347.3K
Min/Max: 289.8K - 385.9K

[Duration]
Median: 7.5m
Mean: 7.5m
25%/75%: 7.3m - 7.7m
10%/90%: 7.1m - 7.9m
Min/Max: 6.4m - 8.5m

Then i import the weights in the reforge tool an i get:
Head : HasteRating -> MasteryRating
Neck : HasteRating -> HitRating
Shoulders : ExpertiseRating -> HitRating
Back : HasteRating -> ExpertiseRating
Chest : CritRating -> ExpertiseRating
Wrists : HitRating -> MasteryRating
Waist : HitRating -> CritRating
Legs : HasteRating -> MasteryRating
Feet : HasteRating -> CritRating
Ring1 : HitRating -> MasteryRating
Ring2 : HasteRating -> ExpertiseRating
MainHand : CritRating -> ExpertiseRating

and
Gems: 16
(10) Adept Vermilion Onyx: +80 Agility, +160 Mastery
(5) Fractured Sun's Radiance: +320 Mastery
(1) Sensei's Wild Jade: +160 Hit, +160 Mastery

Head/Gem#2: Fractured Sun's Radiance
Shoulder/Gem#2: Adept Vermilion Onyx
Back/Gem#1: Adept Vermilion Onyx
Chest/Gem#2: Adept Vermilion Onyx
Chest/Gem#3: Adept Vermilion Onyx
Hands/Gem#1: Adept Vermilion Onyx
Hands/Gem#2: Adept Vermilion Onyx
Waist/Gem#1: Adept Vermilion Onyx
Waist/Gem#2: Adept Vermilion Onyx
Waist/Gem#3: Fractured Sun's Radiance
Legs/Gem#1: Fractured Sun's Radiance
Legs/Gem#2: Fractured Sun's Radiance
Feet/Gem#1: Sensei's Wild Jade
Finger 1/Gem#1: Fractured Sun's Radiance
Finger 2/Gem#1: Adept Vermilion Onyx
Main Hand/Gem#1: Adept Vermilion Onyx

Enchants: 1
Hands: Enchant Gloves - Superior Expertise: +170 Expertise

Is that Ok so? I am a little bit confused about ist because of the only Mastery gems.

Thanks for Help and sorry for my English :)

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Sun Feb 02, 2014 8:57 pm

If all you want to do is reforge, then the process is very simple:
1. Import your kitty
2. Either your Rune is already equipped, or you'll need to equip it manually in Catus.
3. Go to the "Reforge" panel, and select "Rune of Re-Origination" tab.
4. Check your reforger settings: Hit/Exp = At least 7.5%, Range = 250, Overflow = 100, Gaps = 0, [x] Break Bonus, Enchants: [x] Hands & [x] Back
5. Since your ilvl is ~567, you can probably go with Red or Yellow gems
6. Click "Reforge"
7. There will be a menu with various reforging solutions, the best one is selected automatically.
8. Assuming that is the reforging you like, click "Minimize Cost" to minimize the number of changes required to achieve this reforge

To export the reforging:
1. Use "Reforgerade" to get reforging code necessary to paste into Reforgerade addon (in-game)
2. Use "Shopping List" to get Gems/Enchants and the instructions on what to modify.
3. If curious, you can use "Gear Compare" and the "Armory" button to get full report of changes relative to your armory.

The rest of Catus (all of the simulator portions) require you to setup your Talents/Glyphs/Buffs/Debuffs/Effects/Consumables/Settings/etc...
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Help a brother out with catus test.

Postby xahn » Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:54 pm

*****Moved to proper thread******
I've been having troubles loading catus on my computer, I have no idea whats wrong with it. its on my-end, been having alot of problems with most of programs running on my computer, probably have a virus.


Anyway, if you are free, and not busy. and can do the following test for me, i would really appreciate it, I'm using SoO normal trinkets, TED + Haromms, and today i've got the normal 522 Ruru trinket, ofcourse I will upgrade it to +8, so please if can you do the following test for me here's my armory.

so with the normal ruru trinket upgraded, is it better to use than what I'm alrdy using, thanks.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/o ... ahn/simple

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Wed Feb 05, 2014 5:26 pm

For your gear, [530] Rune is approximately ~5K DPS (~1.4%) over [561] TED for single target.

I see you've already made the change to the Rune and I agree that is correct.

Note: you'll need to revisit this decision if you acquire multiple heroic SoO trinkets.
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Vasagore » Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:29 am

When optimizing for Guardian the Ask Mr. Robot export string don't work in the AMR ingame addon. Spec needs to be 104 instead of 103...I know it's a minor issue and one that can be manually edited by those understanding the "export string", but maybe something to include in a future build?

Love Catus btw, using it for both Guardian and Feral, so much better than any alternatives...

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby redieh » Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:09 pm

Thank you raffy for response. But what is with statweights? Should i take the defaults or at first Generate it new with the "Generate Stat Weights Button?
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:57 pm

@vasago, I thought I fixed that, but I guess it never made it to release. Glad you were able to fix it with the 103 -> 104 spec id swap. Thanks, this is fixed for next update.

@redieh, for 1:1:1 reforging, you don't need stat weights.

If you're reforging for non-Rune (like Maximize Mastery) then you'll need stat weights. The defaults should be reasonable but to get the best reforge, you should do a stat simulation. You need to make sure the entire simulator is setup to do a stat weight simulation. All of your buffs/debuffs/talents/consumables/etc need to be set properly.

When experimenting, my approach is the following:
1. setup Catus with two non-Rune trinkets
2. use reforger to maximize mastery using default settings
3. run stat weight simulation (hit/exp disabled, with force cap enabled) for Agility/Mastery/Haste/Crit
4. use new settings to reforge again
5. run stat weight simulation again
6. repeat until relatively stable

Since we already know that Mastery is the best stat, typically only one iteration is required. The only real question is whether 2x Mastery > 1x Agility (in which case the default weights are incorrect.)

In reality, anything that maximizes your Mastery and/or Agility is probably fine.
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Needing assistance with cactus

Postby pussnboots » Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:46 pm

*****Moved to proper thread*****
I'm kinda new to the feral community forums ( at least posting wise) so here goes.
I started using cactus and everything seemed to be working great. However, Since messing with trinket pairings and setting it to use reforging settings , my proc for the ROO trinket seems to be lower and I cant seem to get the settings to change. Ive deleted my java cache, deleted all setting configs, deleted all users as well .
It keeps telling me that the highest proc available for me is 43k. However, I just got H WF version of the exact same weapon and Heroic Version of the gloves and with the exact same gems and reforges i had with the previous version , I have a 44k mastery proc. Is there some settings or something I am missing to get my cactus back to the way it was? I even had other ferals input me into cactus and they are able to generate a higher ROO proc then I am.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:41 pm

*C-a-t-u-s :p

Did you reimport your kitty? Catus just snapshots your armory data, so if you got new gear, you need to reimport (shortcut is Ctrl-I or Cmd-I on mac). If you compare your gear to armory, using "Gear Compare" > "Armory" button, it will explain whats different between what's loaded into Catus and what your kitty is currently wearing.

When the Trinket Simulator uses "Use Reforger Settings" it just means that if you have a Rune equipped, it uses the current settings in the Rune tab, and if you don't have a Rune equipped, it uses the settings in the Maximize Stats tab. This way, you can use a different gem color or a different stat weights than the default (which is standard setup for Rune with Red gems and default stat weights {Agility > Mastery > Crit > Haste} for no Rune.) None of the simulator settings should have any impact on your gear.

Let me know if you still have issues.
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:49 am

There is an issue with my item API being unable to connect to wowhead. When I cleared the cache today for the 5.4.7 item dump, I realized that I was unable to pull the latest wowhead data. Some of the S15 gear might not be correct (I think the PTR data was 540.) I emailed them about it. I'll clear this up soon if I can't restore the wowhead source.

Additionally, I believe there are WoW armory issues, so Catus might have issues during import.

I've renewed some interest in PvP, so I'll probably be updating Catus with some long overdue fixes. I've been experimenting with some PvP-style simulations and plan on evaluating doing some PvP power analysis.

I also did some work on an scaling simulator, where you can simulate across a range of item levels. This was mostly for academic curiosity, but it's a cool feature nevertheless.
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