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5.4 BiS trinkets

Postby Neonjoe » Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:10 am

I'm trying to develop a BiS list as my guild is looking to have one on file for every spec. The thing I'm concerned about is RoRo. I have been raiding on other toons for most of the expansion until I could find a fit again for my feral. Now that I have one, I only had 2 weeks to grab gear before the patch comes and all I have is an LFR RoRo.

What scares me, is the talk points to Heroic TF RoRo outperforming all Heroic WF trinkets. Am I seeing this correctly and we're going to be using this trinket for the rest of the expansion? If I am missing something here what trinkets are we looking at using? I'm looking at http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=105472 and http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=105527 being the 2 best options probably for single target dps, http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=105612 coming in third, and http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=105580 being an aoe gimmick trinket. Where is the agility version of this trinket http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=105609?

Am I totally off-base here? I really hope I'm not going to have to continue farming ToT heroic to get a RoRo, that will be extremely irritating and make me want to kill blizzard programmers.

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Re: 5.4 BiS trinkets

Postby ShmooDude » Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:31 am

Last I knew (aggixx or raffy will be able to update you on this), in a T16N profile (no upgrades) the 549 rune was 6.5-8.5k DPS (depending on spec) above TED + Haromm's (the current best 553 trinkets). As for heroic, I bet the lead will be smaller.

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Re: 5.4 BiS trinkets

Postby Tremnen » Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:50 am

actually Schmoo the way that Rune scales it gets better the better your gear (because it doubles your 2 lowest secondaries so the larger they are the larger Rune will proc). so as you overall ilvl increases Rune will get better and better.

here is a chart from a few weeks ago run through catus by Raffy.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/298 ... Table3.png

by the way this chart assumes no valor upgades (at the time it wasn't confirmed the upgrade vendor would remain) and thi sis a DoC profile and it ws before the DoC buff so don't take it at full face value. It is interesting to see how good Rentaki's is and stays for us this coming tier and it is interesting to see the different ilvl runes in relation to each other (25th from top of the list is using a LFR rune for instance)

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Re: 5.4 BiS trinkets

Postby aggixx » Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:15 pm

While Rune's value does depend on the amount of stats on the rest of your gear, in 5.4 it does not scale significantly better than other trinkets. If you have a 549 Rune you can expect it to be roughly the same percentage better than the alternatives regardless of your item level.
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Re: 5.4 BiS trinkets

Postby Neonjoe » Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:29 pm

So in conclusion, I will need to keep farming ToT until I get a heroic tf rune if I want to reach bis status, great.

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Re: 5.4 BiS trinkets

Postby Alpheus » Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:14 pm

Neonjoe wrote:So in conclusion, I will need to keep farming ToT until I get a heroic tf rune if I want to reach bis status, great.


Heroic ToT gives better gear than flex and with 550+ ilvl you can zerg most heroic bosses on 10man (DA, tortos, horridon, primordius). So if you end up with nothing to do you can just do a ToT 10man instead of Flex. Sure, it's gonna require a bit more coordination if you haven't done it before but it should be doable no problem (especially since ToT is receiving a 25% nerf when 5.4 hits, even heroic)
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Re: 5.4 BiS trinkets

Postby Neonjoe » Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:36 pm

After clearing ToT pretty much every week, my desire to step back in there is 0. If it was a TOGC style instance where I could just walk in and kill bosses and not deal with horribly designed trash pulls, might be a different story. Also If the item I needed wasn't dropping from the 12th boss in there which iirc you have to clear every boss prior to that on heroic in order to pull on heroic, things could be different. Just really stupid on blizzard's part to design items that don't get replaced by something 30 item levels higher, wasn't there a time where they said they were doing everything in their power to move away from something like that? Now I'm sure their solution would just be to nerf the rune, not to actually put some thought in to how they could change the class scaling or other items in order to allow us the same level of performance without having to back-clear instances.

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Re: 5.4 BiS trinkets

Postby aggixx » Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:59 pm

I think it would be wrong to make the assumption that just because this is turning out to be the case that Blizzard is ok with it happening that way. Besides, it's really not a massive amount of DPS at any given item level over the alternatives, it's mainly the advantage of 1 less trinket you have to acquire and learn to use.

If you check out the results in this post, Rune is 1.11% of the other trinkets in BiS gear. Keep in mind that because of how dominant Rune was this tier there are some Rune-specific lines in the Rune profiles, something the other trinkets (for the most part) don't have the courtesy of.
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