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Rip doing too much damage?

Postby Paloro » Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:42 am

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/6ydyt356w7jp4aul/analyze/dd/source/?s=9963&e=10481

I know I was able to line up a good Rip near the end, but 34.4% of my damage when Rake was only 19.7%???

Are we supposed to be seeing swing this big because normally, I have close to equal Rip/Rake damage.
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Re: Rip doing too much damage?

Postby Tremnen » Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:50 am

Rip did jut get a 20% buff last week. I'll check your log for somethin fishy because 34% seems to high (sounds like you used your trinkets buffing Rake over Rip) but I typically see Rip doing ~10% more of my effective damage than rake.

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Re: Rip doing too much damage?

Postby Tremnen » Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:26 am

everything looks fine from what I can see. If you notice you had over a 51% crit chance on your Rip Ticks. you are using RoR so that looks like some real good RNG on your critical ticks. Your rakes by comparison had ~44% crit chance.

RoR had ~30% uptime which is better than I think I have ever gotten on a 8+ minute fight. when RoR procs i bet your crit % drops to about 35%-3% critical chance vs bosses and you came out very much ahead on how many crits you got on your Rip ticks.

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Re: Rip doing too much damage?

Postby Cetlysm » Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:46 am

Ive been noticing this too, I haven't done real raiding yet since I raid on weekends but on flex yesterday, in my skada (we didn't log this flex) it shows crits in favor of rake, but rip was still kicking its ass, execute phase was short, got a good rip on execute nothing insane.
95% rake, 93% rip uptime, using treants and DoC.
That was Thok
http://i.imgur.com/FYJ66zY.jpg
Sorry for my crude way to show that, like I said we didn't log it.

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Re: Rip doing too much damage?

Postby cg1351 » Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:45 pm

how the fuck are your rips hitting so hard.. i lined up my last second of rentakis ror doc pot tf on a 5cp rip just before execute phase and never got close to them numbers.. my rake always hits harder then my rip on max hits...
I usually see round 2-5% more damage from rip compared to my rake in overall damage.

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Re: Rip doing too much damage?

Postby Cetlysm » Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:36 pm

That was a 8-9 H TF renataki, roro, TF, DoC, dancing, potion, no tricks and thats it I think
559ilvl
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/area-52/Zetlysm/advanced
I guess the 20% could just be responsible for this, they probably didn't even think how strong it was in conjunction with execute + trinkets, specially rune.
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Re: Rip doing too much damage?

Postby cg1351 » Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:46 pm

armoury link plz? Because atm im starting to think the buff hasn't applied to me for some reason or a few more ilvl is gona jump my rip damage a few hundred k a tick...


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Re: Rip doing too much damage?

Postby cg1351 » Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:06 pm

You have like 30-50 more secondary stats and 400 agility more.. the only real difference i can see is my hc rentakis aint upgraded and yours is... Surely that wouldn't explain 350k more on highest crit... or such a huge difference between overall damage done by rip.

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Re: Rip doing too much damage?

Postby raffy » Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:48 pm

Code: Select all
  Power Average    Tick    Crit     AP  Crit% Bleed  #
1 6.35x  576695  323003  775208 129661  56.1% 3.74x  8  DoC  TF  Pot  Banner  SS  DS  RSC<549>  RoR<543>
2 6.09x  553477  313550  752519 125659  54.7% 3.74x  7  DoC  TF  Pot  Banner  SS      RSC<549>  RoR<543>
3 6.05x  549712  312002  748806 125004  54.4% 3.74x  7  DoC  TF  Pot  Banner      DS  RSC<549>  RoR<543>

Take the 3rd one: 748806 * 1.05 (Beast) = 786.3K (matches Zetlysm Maximum crit)
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Re: Rip doing too much damage?

Postby Cetlysm » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:27 pm

I guess beast does make a huge difference, I never track banner because the warrior in our guiild is like a ghost.
Still, rip is pulling far ahead of rake since the 20% buff, http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-hcvojkj6d4596b1o/details/2/?s=10465&e=10698
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-hcvojkj6d4596b1o/details/2/?s=9616&e=9936
Pretty much the only 2 patchwreck style fights I did last week.

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Re: Rip doing too much damage?

Postby cg1351 » Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:52 pm

I'm troll myself though and on patchwerk fights like malkorok and norushen my rip and rake are still pretty similar and im ranking every fight quite decently so it can't be me fucking up THAT much surely.... my rakes are always hitting higher numbers.. Maybe it's a scaling thing and rip just scales better then rake but them numbers still seem massively higher then mine for rip.

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Re: Rip doing too much damage?

Postby Zstriker » Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:58 pm

tshhhhh or it get nerfed to fast..
300k crits is fine with 4p set you can line up more buffed DoC rips so it also get it dmg part increase, with DoC also buffed by 5% more
I'm running around timeless isle killing elites thingies and noticie sometimes my rip hitting up to 450k, in Hotw, self buffs and and that book buff(8k agility proc)

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Re: Rip doing too much damage?

Postby cg1351 » Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:50 am

That wouldn't change the max hits being so far apart though and i get a fair amount of doc rips as is especially for execute phase.
Should my rip and rake be hitting for almost identical numbers with no procs or with procs up?

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Re: Rip doing too much damage?

Postby Zstriker » Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:07 am

tooltip are not good things to look at, as they require client patching to be updated, howerever by default rake baseline stats was always less then 5cp rip,
though it depends on how blizzard want it anyway, they could of up rip to 10% and rake another 10%, but they choose only to buff one

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Re: Rip doing too much damage?

Postby cg1351 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:41 pm

This thread helped my dps so much when i sat down and thought about your numbers for rip and mine :D Thank you all <3

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Re: Rip doing too much damage?

Postby inferiorlol » Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:46 am

cg1351 wrote:This thread helped my dps so much when i sat down and thought about your numbers for rip and mine :D Thank you all <3


How did you change your play?

To me it feels a bit meh that so much of our dps is determined whether we get double trinkets to proc at ~25%.

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Re: Rip doing too much damage?

Postby cg1351 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:50 am

Used mangle a bit more when i felt rune 'could' proc soon and i waited til much higher energy levels to use cps etc. Damage on rip went up huge and overall damage done went up alot and i still have terrible proc luck when boss hits 30%~ :P normal rune though so probably wouldn't of had to change my playstyle that much with a better rune

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