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Tested catus on 502 ilvl, and 548 ilvl. Set bonus too strong

Postby xahn » Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:41 pm

Hello guys, please don't read this if you don't like comparison posts, this is just one that made me really dazzled and surprised at how strong set bonuses are.

Today I received this shoulder from Flex SoO raid. [Ricocheting Shoulderguards] , I immediately upgraded to ilvl 548, before testing it's dps increase because I figured jumping like 6 ilvls is a huge boost to dps which wasn't true, so my valor points were wasted. Previously I had this shoulder from ToT LFR, [Spaulders of the Haunted Forest] Raid Finder version ilvl 502.

I just now tested the dps difference between them in my full gear, only swapped shoulder, and the result were.


With LFR Shoulder 502 ilvl
[DPS]
Median: 146382
Mean: 146253 +/- 113.45 (3588)
25%/75%: 143.8K - 148.7K
10%/90%: 141.6K - 150.8K
Min/Max: 134.8K - 156.3K

With Flex SoO Shoulder 548 ilvl
[DPS]
Median: 147342
Mean: 147277 +/- 115.85 (3664)
25%/75%: 144.8K - 149.6K
10%/90%: 142.5K - 151.9K
Min/Max: 134.9K - 159.6K


As you can see the different is so tiny and not worth it, only because with my 502 LFR Shoulder I have the (2) piece set bonus which helps me with my combo points. And to be quiet frank I rather go back and use the LFR 502 because my rotation would be x10 times easier and I won't be stressing out failing on rips or SR's, because I swear with the (2) piece ToT set bonus I have plenty of time to refresh rips and SR's plus I get alot of ferocious bites.

So guys do you agree that I go back to the 502 ilvl shoulder? or even better if the set bonus is that strong, why don't I just go back to ToT and get the 522 ilvl shoulder and upgrade it? isn't that a good idea too?


armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/o ... ahn/simple

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Re: Tested catus on 502 ilvl, and 548 ilvl. Set bonus too st

Postby aggixx » Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:49 pm

1k DPS is kind of a lot for your gear, if you were to upgrade a 536 to a 548 (w/o set bonuses complicating things) you'd probably see a similar gain.

Personally I would use the offset shoulders even if they were the same DPS because when accidentally put up a 1 CP rip with the set bonus I rage really hard ;)
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Re: Tested catus on 502 ilvl, and 548 ilvl. Set bonus too st

Postby xahn » Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:54 pm

aggixx,

haha you reminded me of my rage too! you are so right, It happened to me a couple of times where I clicked rip too quicly to clip it and only to find out that I clipped with the bonus 1 point again and it made me cry few times :P but then I've noticed how easy it can happen and I started clipping rip with more precision and carefully. but yea whenever that happens specially during a berserk or heroism, it is very annoying so I agree with you on that.

But now at least for me, I find it hard to put out some ferocious bites, and I find myself doing shreds on a 5 pnts because I am stuck between either rip or SR that are about to fall out but not quiet yet, so I shred on 5 points again, maybe once or twice, to clip rip again, or SR. Maybe because I am not used to not having the ToT (2) set bonus? I don't know.

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Re: Tested catus on 502 ilvl, and 548 ilvl. Set bonus too st

Postby raffy » Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:07 pm

Those DPS numbers look low for 537 armory. I suspect you aren't using any buffs/debuffs/consumables.

Going from 502: 211.8K DPS
56127 AP, 25298 Agility, 90.26% Mastery, 46.10% Crit, 5.15% Haste, 7.50% Hit, 7.54% Exp

To 548: 213.3K DPS
57471 AP, 25909 Agility, 93.02% Mastery, 46.73% Crit, 5.15% Haste, 7.59% Hit, 7.66% Exp

But I still see approximately the same result: ~1.5K DPS gain (~1%) with those shoulders.

I agree on the 1cp accidental double Rip, but a 4cp rotation is very nice for DoC. If I enable (Override Set Bonuses) and keep all bonuses disabled with the 502 shoulders, it loses ~4K DPS: 207.7K DPS

I'd def go with the new shoulders; its a passive gain.

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Re: Tested catus on 502 ilvl, and 548 ilvl. Set bonus too st

Postby xahn » Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:15 pm

Thank you raffy for your input. And you are right I just checked my Catus and with that experiment of both items, I wasn't using any food/flask/pots, and I was only self-buffed. and maybe with group buffs/flask the DPS increase will be as you said 1.5k DPS instead of 1k because fo the buff/consumables scaling I guess.

But also my armory equipped is 535 with that shoulder, the 537 are in my inventory. with the 502 LFR shoulder I am only 531 ilvl equipped instead of 535 with the shoulder. And as you said the 4cp rotation is so nice with DoC and I've been playing with DoC since I started playing feral. so I kinda miss that, and thats why I am debating with myself weather to go back to the 4cp set bonus or what. but I guess I must get used to 5cp rotation at some point, so 1.5K dps increase and as aggixx said for me gear is quiet alot. so I am still debating what I should do. I may not go back to the 502 ilvl shoulder but now I am debating to go back to ToT normal and get a 522 ilvl one then upgrade it, you know?

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Re: Tested catus on 502 ilvl, and 548 ilvl. Set bonus too st

Postby raffy » Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:25 pm

I just meant that, when I saw "~150K" DPS, and then checked your armory and saw 537, I figured something was wrong.

Not every fight is Patchwerk, nor is DoC ideal for every fight.

Those shoulders are a 4K DPS gain for HotW and a (-4+1) 5K DPS gain if you never take advantage of the extra CP (target swaps, never get a proc due to low CP finishers, or w/e).

This depends on your reforging but here is the stat gain:
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           Shoulder: [502] Spaulders of the Haunted Forest    => [548] Ricocheting Shoulderguards
            Agility: -554 Agi                                 => +554 Agi
    Critical Strike: -83 Crit                                 => +83 Crit
          Expertise: -43 Expertise                            => +43 Expertise
                Hit: -28 Hit                                  => +28 Hit
            Mastery: -528 Mastery                             => +528 Mastery
            Stamina: -772 Stam                                => +772 Stam

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Re: Tested catus on 502 ilvl, and 548 ilvl. Set bonus too st

Postby xahn » Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:42 pm

Alright raffy, thanks for helping me out <3

p.s. I love this forum, best druid forum ever :)

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Re: Tested catus on 502 ilvl, and 548 ilvl. Set bonus too st

Postby cg1351 » Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:05 am

Going with Aggixx here i hated lag spikes and rip queue'ing up and going through twice... especially during execute phase or opener lol I replaced my 2 set with 553 tier shoulders instantly and ever looked back; simmed higher on shorter fights too.

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Re: Tested catus on 502 ilvl, and 548 ilvl. Set bonus too st

Postby Tremnen » Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:56 am

cg1351 wrote:Going with Aggixx here i hated lag spikes and rip queue'ing up and going through twice... especially during execute phase or opener lol I replaced my 2 set with 553 tier shoulders instantly and ever looked back; simmed higher on shorter fights too.



My guild thought I was crazy for breaking 4pc (and later 2pc) so early. For such a simple 2pc last tier that I thought I would love... I really grew to hate it as raid input lag became more a thing. 25man raiding with that old 2pc was so painful.

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Re: Tested catus on 502 ilvl, and 548 ilvl. Set bonus too st

Postby Ardezar » Fri Oct 11, 2013 3:47 pm

Don't want to be the bearer of bad news but brace yourself for it happening again once you have 4 pc. If you TF before you rip you'll be awarded 3 combo points because of the set bonus :lol:

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Re: Tested catus on 502 ilvl, and 548 ilvl. Set bonus too st

Postby cg1351 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:35 am

Never had it happen with new 4 piece at all, especially since you know it's coming and you already have planned in your head what you want to do with the 3 cps.

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Re: Tested catus on 502 ilvl, and 548 ilvl. Set bonus too st

Postby aggixx » Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:48 pm

The new 4p is lot less frequent and more predicatble as cg said, and accidentally casting a 3 CP ability isn't nearly as bad as a 1 CP one (eg actually has the potential to be useful). I have more of an issue with how incredibly difficult it is to use when multi-bleeding.
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Re: Tested catus on 502 ilvl, and 548 ilvl. Set bonus too st

Postby Alpheus » Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:48 pm

aggixx wrote:The new 4p is lot less frequent and more predicatble as cg said, and accidentally casting a 3 CP ability isn't nearly as bad as a 1 CP one (eg actually has the potential to be useful). I have more of an issue with how incredibly difficult it is to use when multi-bleeding.


Ie. using it EXACTLY on 0 seconds left and raging like a true feral.
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