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Costumes while shapeshift

Postby DomGF » Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:51 pm

Hello everyone here at TFD. While this is something that concerns the class as a whole, i am posting it in the feral folder because lets be honest...we are here because we play feral!

I come today to make a request from all of you that lurk or are actually active in the community of the forum.
Its simply that with the announcement of the alpha notes i think its time, for those that care enough, to make pressure on Blizzard to finally allow us to get costumes while shapeshifted. The excuses they have given us are just plain ridiculous at this point in the game.
I have heard them say the change was impossible, then they said that they wanted it to remain this way for PVP reasons as to know what specialization was the rival druid. We have seen how we have been capable of retaining costumes, so it is not impossible. Buffs like the flame druid during Cataclysm (removed in MoP), the currently available Fire-Watcher's Oath or to an extend the Cursed Swabby Helmet are examples that it is doable.

With the addition of the toy box, this should be the best moment that we may have to ask for this change to be done.

In a personal level, i consider this a hindering issue of the class and one that has bugged me ever since i truly got into serious raiding. I really enjoy playing the Druid class, and i truly enjoy playing a feral Druid. But I have considered even re-rolling just for this! And i truly think that is not the answer and a good solution. I think that the solution is to let us enjoy an aspect that every other class gets to, and that makes the game certainly a bit more enjoyable and refreshing.

Feel free to discuss this in here.

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Re: Costumes while shapeshift

Postby Dargaron » Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:24 am

I completely agree.

Druids don't get to see updated weapons and armour in form. Then to ice that anti-fun cake, we can't even put a fun disguise on like every other class in the game can.

I don't see how seeing the specialisation the druid is is so critical - especially when we can't see what stance a warrior's in/presence a death knight's in/spec a mage or hunter is in.

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Re: Costumes while shapeshift

Postby Sibylle » Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:56 am

Does this go for flight too? I remember my disappointment when I got my costume in Booty Bay on Pirate's Day, then flew off and the costume was gone. My priest wore it all day.
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Re: Costumes while shapeshift

Postby aggixx » Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:32 am

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Re: Costumes while shapeshift

Postby Sibylle » Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:37 pm

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Re: Costumes while shapeshift

Postby Tinderhoof » Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:46 pm

Pretty much the quickest response to a request you have ever gotten eh?

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Re: Costumes while shapeshift

Postby DomGF » Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:15 pm

Heh, i been requesting this since late WotLK. BUT, I am glad they seem to be moving towards allowing it. Still, what i meant is to stay on this and not forget it! Things like retwitting so they give the druids a response.

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Re: Costumes while shapeshift

Postby Tinderhoof » Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:45 pm

I have been wanting it since I started playing, but I never actually thought they were going to give it back. Happy to see they are going to do it. I will make sure to keep up with feedback during the Beta.

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Re: Costumes while shapeshift

Postby AsgardFM » Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:52 pm

As much as I've been wanting it to return, don't get your hopes up.

https://twitter.com/WatcherDev/statuses ... 7747474432

Further details saying the costumes won't show while shifted but the buffs will remain for when shifting out again.

Bleh...

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Re: Costumes while shapeshift

Postby Sibylle » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:28 pm

AsgardFM wrote:As much as I've been wanting it to return, don't get your hopes up.

https://twitter.com/WatcherDev/statuses ... 7747474432

Further details saying the costumes won't show while shifted but the buffs will remain for when shifting out again.

Bleh...

I'm quite ok with that, actually.
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Re: Costumes while shapeshift

Postby DomGF » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:32 pm

Sibylle wrote:
AsgardFM wrote:As much as I've been wanting it to return, don't get your hopes up.

https://twitter.com/WatcherDev/statuses ... 7747474432

Further details saying the costumes won't show while shifted but the buffs will remain for when shifting out again.

Bleh...

I'm quite ok with that, actually.


I am not. We spend the whole fight in our forms. The idea of using the variety of costumes is to freshen up and have fun while playing with friends. Costumes are not usable on arenas to have such an impact that you cant tell which spec is the druid playing, plus there are frames that tell you what spec they are now.
And when some say, you rolled a druid knowing that you were gonna be a ball of fur walking around, I say that no, i did not. I simply started playing a druid because i enjoyed the idea of it, and I had no clue of costumes when I was a newb. And that doesn't really address a solution to this. And to my eyes, the solution is that we should be able to enjoy this as any other class.

I got told that from a class design standpoint, it doesn't make sense to have a bear tanking as a humanoid. And my reply to that is simply that it is a costume, it will last for those 10 minutes or until you die. If you can cast fireballs out of thin air because of magic, I'm sure there could be an illusion spell that could affect a druid. Besides, if someone were to be looking to immerse itself in the world to the level that it would break said experience, they would not be using any costumes to start with. Plus I am sure a Tauren rogue makes total sense, no?

I think that with the addition of the toy box this is a whole new feature of the game, and that every single class should be capable of making 100% use of it. And this is why I was asking for other druids to support this and voice up to the devs with whatever it is that you guys may want, being full costumes, only humanoid o whatever it is that you want. Hopefully the first.

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Re: Costumes while shapeshift

Postby Steakbomb » Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:39 pm

The best thing IMO is Noggenfogger making you tiny. Running around as a kitten is awesome. Combine that with Flame Cat staff and you are basically the most adorable thing ever.
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Re: Costumes while shapeshift

Postby DomGF » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:13 am

WHELP! So much for having costumes while in forms. I believe some of us will be asking during today Final Boss show with Celestalon. But by the looks of it, they are simply gonna do the not breaking buff, because they want to, still, be more evident what spec the player is. Looking at bars is quite difficult.

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Re: Costumes while shapeshift

Postby AsgardFM » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:08 am

Yeah, its unfortunate that they seem to be dead set against it. It's nice to look different every now and then (ICC trinket was great for that) and the older argument of "can't tell what form the Druid is in" really does become irrelevant today.
Part of me wonders if it could be due to the graphical quirks caused by 2H polearm with 0.8 attackspeed and Maul-based spell effects (half a bear lunging out of your body) that also plays a part in their decision.

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Re: Costumes while shapeshift

Postby Kraineth » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:20 am

AsgardFM wrote:Yeah, its unfortunate that they seem to be dead set against it. It's nice to look different every now and then (ICC trinket was great for that) and the older argument of "can't tell what form the Druid is in" really does become irrelevant today.
Part of me wonders if it could be due to the graphical quirks caused by 2H polearm with 0.8 attackspeed and Maul-based spell effects (half a bear lunging out of your body) that also plays a part in their decision.


Thats the same as people mirroring cat/bear and casting spells that come out of their mouth, so I don't think it holds any water.

It has always been a stance in PvP, which is understandable, but these items don't work in rated pvp matches, and I doubt any single person in my raid has ever cared at any point in the past years whether I was in cat/bear/caster form at any point in any fight.

It all seems a bit odd to me that this stance on transformation items is still a thing, but warriors/monks/DKs don't have giant signs above their heads letting everyone know what stance they are in

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Re: Costumes while shapeshift

Postby hullaballoonatic » Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:37 am

In response to Blizzard's logic against shapeshift+costumes: What. We don't get to see what stance a warrior is in by their appearance. Why does it really matter to players in pvp to see what form an obvious feral druid is in? If it the target is a druid and has energy, it's in cat form.

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Re: Costumes while shapeshift

Postby bacevicius » Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:53 pm

well FYI if you want the Flame look it was never removed all you need to do Is save FL and farm the seeds and keep in mailbox(es).. they last an hour in or out of combat ..... the other stuff I don't know about..

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