MoP LvL60 talent?

[Offbalance Profile]

Which one you going with? If they stay as is, I'm gonna ignore FoN (treants) because that one sounds a little lackluster. So for me, it's down to Wild Charge (current Feral Charge/Stamped talents) or Incarnation (Kitty Shadowdance?).

Incarnation sounds a little OP. TF>Zerk>Incarnation then spam Ravage for 30sec. Anyone else think that sounds a little crazy? Also being able to prowl while in combat. Open with pounce and I can only imagine the PvP QQ. Granted I don't PvP much but planning to in MoP, but my question is more for a PvE PoV.

But I think I would miss Feral Charge. Other then being used to it, any reasons to stick it out with this one? I mean I use it a lot now. Opening with it or getting back to a boss after adds. That kind of stuff but with 2 speed moves it doesn't seem mandatory.

[Stenhaldi Profile]

Perhaps this will change in Mists but as it stands, ravage does substantially less damage per energy than shred. (Above 80% they're about equal.)

[Sibylle Profile]

The way things are going, we'll probably all be switching out talents a lot during Mists, depending on the fight as much as personal preference or what's best for our spec. I'll wait and see until at least the Beta before really considering these choices

[Offbalance Profile]

Perhaps this will change in Mists but as it stands, ravage does substantially less damage per energy than shred. (Above 80% they're about equal.)

Even with Berserk up? I mean they are both on a 3min CD so using them together seems intended.

[Stenhaldi Profile]

Berserk has equal effect on shred and ravage.

[ShmooDude Profile]

Live Ravage vs Shred:

Ravage - 950% for 60 energy
Shred - 842.4% for 40 energy (540% * 1.2 RnT * 1.3 Mangle)

Ravage = 15.83% per energy
Shred = 21.06% per energy

MoP (if nothing changes from the talent calc):

Ravage - 1235% for 60 energy (950% * 1.3 Savage Roar)
Shred - 842.4% for 40 energy (540% * 1.3 Savage Roar * 1.2 RnT)

Ravage = 20.58% per energy
Shred = 21.06% per energy

So would be a clear DPS up over 80% (due to extra crit) and slight loss the rest of the time. Hopefully they reduce the energy cost of Ravage to make it more useful.