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Re: Maximizing Rune of Re-Origination

Postby raffy » Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:36 pm

kerplunk101 wrote:Any tips on how the reforging can be improved?
I really want to stay above 7% hit and expertise and below 7.6%ish.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/k ... n/advanced
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Takes two clicks w/Catus:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4567#p16498
- under Import for Armory: enter "Immaculation", set realm to blank, set region to US, hit "Import"
- scroll down to Reforge: set hit/exp lower bound to 2550, everything else should be blank/off, set lower left to "Random: Slow", hit "Reforge 1:1:1"

Suggestions:
- if you hit "Clear Reforgings", you can see that your native Crit rating is extremely low. Your lowest stat should dictate your choice of Orange gem (Agi/Crit in this case).
- if you enable [x] Save Log in the reforger, you can figure out the actual min/max reforge bounds on your gear.
Constraints:
Hit 2550 <= [ 2380, 6691] <= 999999
Expertise 2550 <= [ 1715, 6027] <= 999999
You can use this information to figure out when Agi/Hit gems are putting you way over the hit cap, or if you should have +180 Crit or Hit on cloak.

Quick Solution:
- I changed your shoulder to Orange, cloak to Purple, and all Orange gems to Agi/Crit.
Spoiler: show
Hit = 2552
Expertise = 2552
Mastery = 5490
Haste = 5412
Critical Strike = 5390

Head : HasteRating -> CritRating
Neck : HitRating -> MasteryRating
Shoulders : HasteRating -> CritRating
Back : MasteryRating -> HasteRating
Wrists : HasteRating -> ExpertiseRating
Hands : MasteryRating -> ExpertiseRating
Waist : ExpertiseRating -> HitRating
Legs : MasteryRating -> CritRating
Feet : HitRating -> CritRating
Ring2 : ExpertiseRating -> CritRating
Trinket2 : HitRating -> CritRating
MainHand : ExpertiseRating -> MasteryRating

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94724 >tc :76884 :76658 # Head: [522] Lightning-Eye Hood
95143 >hc # Neck: [522] Flanker's Battletags
96072 >tc :76658 "Greater Tiger Claw Inscription" # Shoulder: [528] Poisonblood Bladeshoulders
94812 :76680 "Superior Critical Strike" # Back: [522] Pinionfeather Greatcloak
95835 >mc :76692 :76592 :76680 "Glorious Stats" # Chest: [502] Raiment of the Haunted Forest
94743 >te "Fur Lining - Agility" # Wrist: [522] Bindings of Multiplicative Strikes
94939 >me :76680 :76680 "Synapse Springs" "Greater Haste"# Hands: [522] Gloves of Cushioned Air
85982 >eh :76692 :76692 :76692 Socket # Waist: [489] Tomb Raider's Girdle
95238 :76592 :76680 "Primal Leg Reinforcements" # Legs: [522] Legguards of the Haunted Forest
93278 >hc "Blurred Speed" # Feet: [496] Crab-Leather Tabi
95137 >mt # Finger 1: [522] Seal of the Shado-Pan Assault
95166 >ec # Finger 2: [522] Forzarra's Last Meal
94532 # Trinket 1: [522] Rune of Re-Origination
94511 >hm # Trinket 2: [522] Vicious Talisman of the Shado-Pan Assault
94983 >ec :76692 :76692 Socket "Dancing Steel" # Main Hand: [522] Shan-Dun, Breaker of Hope

- if you do this yourself, you can just choose a slow search option, like "Random: Very Slow" and it should find a better solution.

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Re: Maximizing Rune of Re-Origination

Postby Sorcerer » Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:42 pm

Just a weird question but doing it might have it's uses, though I think it wont be a dps gain doing some base calcs in simc. Just need to make sure.

What if there was encounter that you would like to have highest possible DPS in execute phase (for example lei-shen p3)

Considering that Rip snapshot crit and bitw rolling, we could get very high crit rate rip with rune and quite high mastery regardless. Just to have highest possible dps in execute range.
Is there crit depression for dots or is it only for melee attacks?

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Re: Maximizing Rune of Re-Origination

Postby Stenhaldi » Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:16 pm

Not sure what you're suggesting. If you apply rip with crit re-origination, it'll have 0 (well, 3000) mastery. If you apply it with mastery re-origination, it'll have 0 crit rating. Both these stats are snapshotted on application so you can't have both.

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Re: Maximizing Rune of Re-Origination

Postby Tinderhoof » Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:55 pm

Misunderstood the question. My bad.

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Re: Maximizing Rune of Re-Origination

Postby CrazyCatLady » Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:41 pm

I know it's asking a lot, but I just got lfr RoR today and I'm having trouble reforging/regemming for it with my current gear. I've been banging my head on the desk trying to work it out with Wowreforge and referring to Aggixx' video but not having much luck. The excess expertise is giving me fits. Would it be possible to have someone take a look and see what you can come up with?

This is me: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/s ... e/advanced .

Or would it be better to just wait to equip RoR until I get some more upgrades, especially helm and weapon? The RNG Gods have not been kind to me so far, at least for those two slots. My kitty is the only agility leather wearer in our raid group and we have yet to see the helm drop from Jin.

Thank you so much for any help.

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Re: Maximizing Rune of Re-Origination

Postby aggixx » Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:02 pm

I wouldn't worry about using the LFR version too much at the moment unless your old trinket is very dated since it's bugged, although should be fixed after restarts tomorrow. That aside, it should still be worth using with all that expertise (of course depending what your alternatives are). I've got a whopping 5421 hit on my gear before reforging (and that's without any hit gems!) and it came out to a pretty significant gain for me.

The WoWReforge solution is definitely fairly complicated. You should definitely give Catus a shot, just download it, import your character and then scroll down to the "Reforge" section. There should be a button that let's you reforge 1:1:1 for Rune.

In my experience trying to get the "perfect" result out of it is quite hard (although same can be said with any method) but it generally produces quite decent results everytime. You can always hit the button a couple times until you're happy with the solution it gives you.
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Re: Maximizing Rune of Re-Origination

Postby CrazyCatLady » Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:14 pm

Thank you very much for the quick reply, Aggixx.

My other 522 trinket is Renataki's. I also have available Relic of Xuen (upgraded 2/2) and heroic bottle (2/2). So, you think I should just stick with my current 522 trinkets until I get normal RoR? It may be a bit before our raid gets to Lei Shen. We've been having some issues with attendance and computer problems the last couple of weeks and we've gotten a little behind. We started working on Iron Qon last week.

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Re: Maximizing Rune of Re-Origination

Postby aggixx » Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:50 pm

I would stick with the 510 Bottle over Rune until the reset (if you even have anything else to do this lockout ;)) but once the servers restart and Rune is fixed I would definitely go for that.
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Re: Maximizing Rune of Re-Origination

Postby CrazyCatLady » Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:12 am

Thank you again for all your help Aggixx. No, I don't have anything left to do this reset. Once I finally got Catus working I played around with it for several hours today. After about 5-6 different tries the best I could come up with is:

Hit = 2556
Expertise = 2680
Mastery = 5122
Haste = 5011
Critical Strike = 5064
Total: 20433

and to get that I had to change my neck to the VP one, all orange gems to agi/crit and glove enchant to haste. I think I may wait until at least after we kill Jin'rokh and Ji-Kun again this week to do any major tweeking. I don't really want to spend VP on such a temporary fix. Hopefully this will be my week to get the helm and maybe cloak. Or even a weapon if I'm really lucky! :D I won't have any competition for the helm or weapon but there are 3 raid members, including myself, after the cloak if it drops.

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Re: Maximizing Rune of Re-Origination

Postby Natco » Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:37 am

Good morning everybody,

I'am long time reader, but first time poster, so it's my first time ;)
perhaps somebody could have an overlook about my gemming and reforging, and have opinios about it.
Yesterday I received my RoR and regemmed to agi/crit in cases of orange gems and reforged with catus to a nearly 1:1:1 ratio,
but eventually there is something to improve and you may give me a little help then.

can't post armory so my feral's home is on Wrathbringer - EU with same name as here in forum

thanks a lot


oh edit: one thing to add: in addition to the used trinkets i have Bad Juju and the Vicious Talisman of the Shado-Pan Assault,
don't know if it is better to use one of these with RoR than use Renataki.


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Re: Maximizing Rune of Re-Origination

Postby Qualiti » Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:30 pm


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Re: Maximizing Rune of Re-Origination

Postby ShmooDude » Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:43 pm

Yep, I haven't seen a single proc since logging on, definatly broken

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Re: Maximizing Rune of Re-Origination

Postby Cetlysm » Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:21 pm

Ok its working again, but I don't know if the bad luck protection is working again, getting erratic procs.
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Re: Maximizing Rune of Re-Origination

Postby teddabear » Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:01 pm

Definitely working but DPS seems to be lower. Too soon to say if it's just RNG. I agree with it being erratic too.

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Re: Maximizing Rune of Re-Origination

Postby Sorcerer » Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:50 pm

Had a try with 39% uptime with a 522 and than mediocre ~20% with 1.5min no proc on the pull. SMB blizz.

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Re: Maximizing Rune of Re-Origination

Postby Cetlysm » Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:11 pm

11% on jinrok, ugh
someone need to run some tests again
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Re: Maximizing Rune of Re-Origination

Postby Tinderhoof » Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:45 pm

Looking at my numbers from last night, I have between 10% and 20%. Pretty much like it was before they broke it the first time. Some pulls will be luckier then others.

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Re: Maximizing Rune of Re-Origination

Postby ShmooDude » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:37 pm

Which do you guys think is better for HotW rune proc (since many fights HotW is necessary to boost my Tranq)? Crit or Haste?

EDIT: Note, atm I don't have a choice cause I only have one caster weapon which would make it proc haste, just wanna know if I should look for a crit weapon or if it really doesn't matter.

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Re: Maximizing Rune of Re-Origination

Postby Tinderhoof » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:45 pm

Crit most likely. With only an 8 second window you would need to be super lucky to have it up, and hope it would put your Haste high enough to get more ticks out of it. If you throw any Wrath slinging in there its Crit all the way (Aggixx mentioned that today some place). Haste will likely take you past the 1 second GCD mark for Warth so you won't get anything extra from it.

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Re: Maximizing Rune of Re-Origination

Postby Tinderhoof » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:47 pm

Don't forget you can reforge and throw in a 320 crit gem(s) into your caster weapon and that could push you over.

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Re: Maximizing Rune of Re-Origination

Postby Stenhaldi » Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:31 pm

For tranquility, crit is better because haste doesn't give you extra channel ticks (just extra ticks of the residual HoT, which is under half the total healing). For wrath, hurricane, or rejuvenation, haste is almost certainly better (unless it pushes wrath cast time below 1 second).

Edit: raid buffed haste cap for wrath is 19763 rating with bloodlust or 38463 rating without bloodlust. With haste re-origination you're probably a little over 30k.

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Re: Maximizing Rune of Re-Origination

Postby ShmooDude » Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:10 am

Oh, another question. It seems to me that during a rune proc, if you're not gonna make a 5 cp rip, is a 4 cp rip (or even 3) worth it? The ratios I'm seeing seem to support this. How much above would it need to be before I overwrite (I guess it'd probably depend on the duration?)

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Re: Maximizing Rune of Re-Origination

Postby teddabear » Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:31 am

How is the proc rate looking now? I've been using the 502 version and it doesn't seem to proc that often.

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Re: Maximizing Rune of Re-Origination

Postby Sorcerer » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:30 am

Last nite on Lei HC it looked like it was finnaly fixed. Always proc on the pull, usually with FF opener. Decent intervals.

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