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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Monsh » Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:05 am

Thanks for the help! Got everything to work :)

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:11 pm

Catus 14 will be ready soon.

I've got all of the new trinkets modeled with ilvl-scaling procs and cooldowns inferred from PTR testing. The CDR proc for Heroic Thunderforged-equivalent (580 ilvl) will be .39*Exp[Log[1.15]/15*(580 - 553)] = 50% CDR, which brings TF down to 20sec. The new legendary cloak proc (Flurry of Xuen) works too. Also, I've finally added FoN support. I was really concerned with the Multistrike proc triggering from Capac meta, but luckily it doesn't (it would of created some strange "proc1 causing proc2" scenarios.)

I'm debating about moving all of the item code over to my new Item API, which provides all of the data necessary to perform item scaling, to permanently put all item-related bugs to rest.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Jimmyrussell » Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:15 pm

I am having a problem with Zephyrus. Each time I hit reforge, crit is always 21 more than what it has listed on Zephyrus. Also, before the reforge, the hit/exp numbers are off compared to the numbers in my character pane.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:26 pm

Can you link your armory?


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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:11 pm

You'll have to fallback to v13 until I can fix this later tonight:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/298 ... rus13b.zip

For some unknown reason, I don't have scaling data for your swords.
The data is missing from the latest PTR item data.

Edit: I fixed this manually. Delete your Cache folder and restart Zephyrus (v15) and your stats should be fixed.

I apologize that you already gemmed/enchanted but don't have a valid 1:1:1 mastery reforge.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Jimmyrussell » Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:30 pm

Thank you, works perfectly now.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Rotund » Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:54 pm

Thanks for Zephyrus, its a really slick tool.

Would it be possible to do optimization for a crit build? Next patch its going to break for monks and mastery.

Also, could the program spit out a shopping list to tell you what gems to replace? I've been reading the simc output and it's a little rough.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:23 pm

In the latest version (v15) there is a proc menu, where you can choose which stat to lead.

After finding a reforge you like, hit minimize cost. Then hit "Export Reforgerade" for reforge instructions and "Compare to Armory" for shopping list and other deltas.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Rotund » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:41 pm

Cool beans.

Thanks!

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Shibumi » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:12 pm

Would it be at all possible to be able to specify which of the three stats it targets in Catus? I'd love to use this for my Guardian, but I definitely don't want a Mastery proc.
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:35 pm

In Catus, the "Crit > Haste" checkbox is designed for Feral's that occasionally have to tank (like in most 10's).

Bear form gives, 50% more Crit/Haste, so a Catus 1:1:1 reforge with that checkbox checked, will proc Mastery in Cat and Crit in Bear.

What kind of reforge are you looking for? A Crit 1:1:1 while in Bear form?

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Stenhaldi » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:25 am

For guardian, you don't need to go for a 1:1:1 reforge anyway because it'll give you 150% crit or so when you proc, which is a waste. Unless you're going for a haste proc.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Shibumi » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:33 pm

Yeah, I guess I need to evaluate what kind of Crit I'm getting once the reforge/regem is set and see if it's over 79% on the character sheet. At the least, it just needs to be not Mastery. I'll try that checkbox and/or just see what the default ends up with. I guess I could make broad adjustments by varying some gems or single reforges once it's lined up. Thanks for the responses.

EDIT: The one thing I don't want it doing is picking Agility gems (hybrid or otherwise) as that's definitely not productive for a tank. Is there a way I can get it to avoid those in the optimization?
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:44 pm

The easiest thing is for me to add Guardian to Zephyrus, where I can easily account for +50% modifier and then you have access to the proc menu and gem options. I can do this in a few minutes when I get home later this evening.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Shibumi » Fri Jul 12, 2013 12:30 am

raffy wrote:The easiest thing is for me to add Guardian to Zephyrus, where I can easily account for +50% modifier and then you have access to the proc menu and gem options. I can do this in a few minutes when I get home later this evening.


That would be fantastic. When I saw how easily this thing figured out the RoR situation, I nearly shat myself. I would be much obliged.
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Fri Jul 12, 2013 5:32 am

Zephyrus can now import Druids. If your active spec is Feral, it should reforge like Catus. If your active spec is Guardian, your stats should be properly reflect the Bear form modifier.

The Guardian scaling is kind of a hack right now, I'm sure how best to implement it cleanly. I think the 1:1:1 bounds can be slightly improved once I figure out all the rounding-related issues.

If you do give this a shot, let me know if it's suggesting the wrong gems, or if the stats don't match in-game (I'd recommend checking that first after you import.) Potentially, I can add a pure stamina gem option if this is useful.

As Stenhaldi said, since a pure 1:1:1 proc near 545 ilvl is going to be like +42k (+70%) crit with 2550/5100 hit/exp, possibly you want to increase the Haste or Mastery gaps to bring it down to a reasonable level. If you set them both to like 6k, it will find something like 18000:12000:12000.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/298 ... stBeta.zip

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Shibumi » Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:52 pm

Awesome! You're a champion. I'm going to check this out now.

EDIT:
After import, Z is showing 7615 haste in Bear Form -- ingame is 7616. That's the only stat difference; looks like a rounding thing.

Wanted to see what the proc would do, so I left it at the default gaps. After making the suggested changes, the stats were off by a bit. Running again on top of current.

Second pass it added my glove enchant to the list of changes (which wasn't in the list to start). Also moved to change the last three crit gems I had. Now that I think about it, though ... I might've had the cloak of coordination on >_>.

Second pass was spot on. Testing proc. Aaand, removing Windsong.

Z says 35806 proc, but it actually was 29542. Adjusting down for overcap.

Z says 28990 proc, but it actually was 23910. I don't see how I can get much lower than 108.89%... and that's 30% over cap. Yikes.

Stats: Hit: 2969, Expertise: 5100, Mastery: 6874, Haste: 7621, Crit: 13623

That's with a gap of ... 6000 on both, overflow of 300.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:01 am

Yeah, I don't know enough about Guardian to know what's best, but you probably either want to ditch the Rune, or find a reforge such that you Maximize(Crit) and your Crit+2*(Mastery+Haste) <= CritCap. Which probably doesn't require anything fancy: just gemming straight Crit, picking up whatever bonuses you want, and then using reforges to bring the proc down near CritCap levels. Since there's no need to be "within 1", Zephyrus probably isn't optimal nor really useful for this type of reforging. It's designed to get a tight 1:1:1 and the gaps were only added to support Windsong and Talisman.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Shibumi » Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:47 am

Well, Arielle says it's BiS, so I guess I'll take the logistics over there. Thanks for all the help!
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:15 pm

I should have a new version of Catus (v14) available tonight.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/298 ... ngeLog.txt
-Support for all PTR items
- Lots of bug fixes
- FoN
- All trinkets are now implemented (including older blue trinkets)
- Mastery Reforger
- Computable Rake/Rip Tables
- Sim: Combat Log has duration, support Cleaving, has some combat information
- Sim: Distribution provides more data


Combat Log, Single-target:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/298 ... Single.txt
Combat Log, Boss+8 target (like Tortos):
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/298 ... Cleave.txt
(both these logs have bugs which are now fixed)

Scaled Trinket Descriptions:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/298 ... AndSim.png
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/298 ... tDesc2.png

More Descriptions:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/298 ... reDesc.png

Full-retard with Icons:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/298 ... Things.png

I didn't get as far as I wanted to: Mastery Reforger still needs an interface, Simulator needs to be threaded, and I'm sure other stuff is still broken. If curious, you can play with the beta. I'll try again later this week.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/298 ... stBeta.zip

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:06 am

All new Feral PTR gear can be found here:
http://raffy.antistupid.com/wow/ptr_gear.php

I've added all the gear to Gear.txt, so it should be available in Catus:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/298 ... a/Gear.txt
(some of those items have really long names which makes Catus kinda wide :p)

Once the 17205 PTR is available, I'll update items.php:
http://raffy.antistupid.com/wow/items.php
(until then most of the item's can't be scaled/upgraded)

I've added a new gem option to the 1:1:1 Reforger which uses Yellows as the primary color. Aggixx said this pulls ahead around 550 ilvl. Just doing a simple test in my own gear, I lose about ~1700 agility, but my DPS stays the same, when using this option.

Latest Catus Beta can be found here:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/298 ... stBeta.zip
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/298 ... ngeLog.txt

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby aggixx » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:21 am

raffy wrote:Aggixx said this pulls ahead around 550 ilvl.

I said "somewhere in the 550s" not sure of an firm rule of thumb yet but I do know it pulls ahead sometime before Heroic T16.

Also, probably a good idea to enable the Eye of the Black Prince on T16 weapons, since I don't think that's going anywhere (it's not changed on the PTR yet, though).
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:27 am

Fixed. Either delete Cache/dl.dropboxusercontent.com/EyeOfTheBlackPrince.txt or add the following:
# 5.4
103726 103974 103952


Also, you can always add a custom socket to any item by hitting "Edit" button (top left of paper doll) to access the CompactGearRep, and then adding "Socket" to any item.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:51 am

After encountering how annoying it is to upgrade from a Normal to Heroic item for the same slot using Catus, I've made two changes:

1. "Compare to" now forces differences for gems/enchants/reforges when the containing item has changed.

2. Since the most common use for Catus right now is 1:1:1 reforging, I've simplified the output process. There is now a clearly labeled "Export Reforgerade" button and beside it, a new "Shopping List" button:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/298 ... ngList.png

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