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Re: Gear list for SoO

Postby aggixx » Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:08 am

Probably not. Last sim I did (iirc) said you need at least a 536, but a lot has changed since then so not sure of exact requirement. Hopefully will be able to answer that question sometime this week after I implement a bunch of APL updates.
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Re: Gear list for SoO

Postby Azarri » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:44 am

aggixx wrote:Probably not. Last sim I did (iirc) said you need at least a 536, but a lot has changed since then so not sure of exact requirement. Hopefully will be able to answer that question sometime this week after I implement a bunch of APL updates.
Will keep an eye out for it then! :)

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Re: Gear list for SoO

Postby aggixx » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:43 pm

Tazmon was nice enough to point out to me that the Halberd of Inner Shadows is overbudget (by about 40 points for the H WF version) which makes it better than the Kor'kron Spire. I've updated the list accordingly.
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Re: Gear list for SoO

Postby Tinderhoof » Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:16 pm

Red socket vs Orange may account for the slightly higher secondary stat values.

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Re: Gear list for SoO

Postby aggixx » Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:44 pm

I simmed it already, it doesn't. Unless you're talking about budgeting, in which case I'd have to say that makes no sense! ;)
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Re: Gear list for SoO

Postby Stenhaldi » Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:49 pm

Tinderhoof wrote:Red socket vs Orange may account for the slightly higher secondary stat values.
Pretty sure it's just that the two secondary stats on Halberd are closer together than the two secondary stats on Spire. The formulas might not be the same now, but a while back it was determined that the total stat budget was calculated as the sum of the stats each raised to some power greater than 1 (here's one source), so the item with more disparate stat allocation ends up getting fewer total stats.

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Re: Gear list for SoO

Postby aggixx » Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:41 pm

Stenhaldi wrote:Pretty sure it's just that the two secondary stats on Halberd are closer together than the two secondary stats on Spire. The formulas might not be the same now, but a while back it was determined that the total stat budget was calculated as the sum of the stats each raised to some power greater than 1 (here's one source), so the item with more disparate stat allocation ends up getting fewer total stats.

Well then... I guess that's quite fortunate for us!
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Re: Gear list for SoO

Postby Tempo » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:35 pm

can't help but notice you guys are listing gear with a h/htf rune included in your setup... i myself won't have the chance to get a heroic or higher rune, so... my question is this... would this gear list be any different with a t16 trinket in place of the rune? it looks to be very mastery heavy already so, it looks good for non-rune setups but i'm just curious of your thoughts

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Re: Gear list for SoO

Postby cg1351 » Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:37 am

What's our secondary stats looking like in bis(no hwf gear) for 5.4? How big will the rune proc be?

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Re: Gear list for SoO

Postby Tinderhoof » Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:01 pm

Just messing around with Catus for a few minutes. With full heroic gear with full upgrades no TF'd I got a 38712 mastery proc. That was with Rune and AoC. If you use TED instead of AoC it's 41892.

EDIT: With only a few minutes invested there may be some better combos I didn't find.

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Re: Gear list for SoO

Postby aggixx » Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:47 pm

40204 for Full BiS (WFed) with Assurance of Consequence.
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Re: Gear list for SoO

Postby aggixx » Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:09 pm

https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/status ... 4150825987

Garrosh BoA weapons can be upgraded, so that makes Hellscream's Pig Sticker BiS over a warforged weapon from any other boss by 2 item levels.
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Re: Gear list for SoO

Postby baver » Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:38 pm

is it 100% that you get one weapon every week?

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Re: Gear list for SoO

Postby aggixx » Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:58 pm

It's guaranteed the first time you get a BoA weapon it will be a Pig Sticker (assuming you have your loot spec set accordingly), after that it's random. I don't think they said that it's a 100% drop for the first one, that would be silly.
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Re: Gear list for SoO

Postby Sibylle » Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:52 am

So just to confirm, my LFR Rune goes in the bin for 5.4, right? We tried one more time last night, but it still didn't drop on normal. So I'm going to look for 2 5.4 trinkets.
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Re: Gear list for SoO

Postby mekell » Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:18 am

Looks that way, Sib.

My understanding: unless you have heroic or heroic TF Rune, the 5.4 trinkets will generally be better. That said, the better your gear is (ilevel wise) the better rune gets because it scales so well with stat increases.

I believe aggixx updated the feral guide in this forum to include the new basic trinket evaluations given a fixed set of gear (will be different of course based on your gear, but it should give you a good idea).
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Re: Gear list for SoO

Postby Sibylle » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:31 am

Just found it. Thanks a lot :)
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Re: Gear list for SoO

Postby cg1351 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:04 pm

The list only includes atleast heroic rune, at what point would you recommend dropping 530 rune?

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Re: Gear list for SoO

Postby RareBeast » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:28 pm

That is also my situation. My guild will likely only get into heroics half way through the tier and probably not all the way through (we are 4/12 heroics this tier but had some roster issues which hurt us a bit).

So I will likely be comparing my normal rune (which I only got last week) to normal mode (or lower) trinkets for quite a while yet. To further complicate things, my other current trinket is a Heroic Thunderforged Rentakis which stacks up well to the new trinkets as well.

Trinket decisions confuse me greatly :)

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Re: Gear list for SoO

Postby CalliatTN » Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:27 pm

Anyone know when to break t15 4 set for t16? Got full HC t15, and got normal chest today t16. Damn that thing has a lot of red sockets on it :x

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Re: Gear list for SoO

Postby raffy » Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:11 pm

561 Chest and 561 Helm w/ your gear/talents/raid-buffed on standard Patchwerk is a pretty big gain: 5%

4pT15:
Code: Select all
  Median:   272063
    Mean:   272778 +/- 156.01 (11031)
 25%/75%:   265.1K - 279.9K
 10%/90%:   259.2K - 287.6K
 Min/Max:   238.1K - 318.4K

2pT15+2pT16:
Code: Select all
  Median:   286643
    Mean:   287550 +/- 173.20 (12247)
 25%/75%:   279.2K - 295.4K
 10%/90%:   272.5K - 303.9K
 Min/Max:   250.4K - 338.8K

Code: Select all
            Agility: -932 Agi                                 => +932 Agi
    Critical Strike: -330 Crit                                => +330 Crit
          Expertise: +528 Expertise                           => -528 Expertise
              Haste: -331 Haste                               => +331 Haste
                Hit: +6 Hit                                   => -6 Hit
            Mastery: -320 Mastery                             => +320 Mastery
            Stamina: -1038 Stam                               => +1038 Stam


Looking at the damage distribution percentages, you basically trade FB damage for higher Shrangle damage:
Code: Select all
Before: FB(5.68%) + Mangle(5.03%) + Shred(4.66%)
 After: Mangle(6.34%) + Shred(5.21%) + FB(5.09%)


You can perform this analysis yourself in Catus with just a few clicks.

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Re: Gear list for SoO

Postby Frozzenfire » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:03 pm

wouldent the items from the new world boss, be good to get on the list, atleast the ones from Ordos

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Re: Gear list for SoO

Postby Sibylle » Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:46 am

Well this thread is Siege of Orgrimmar, but we can always start a new thread for it.
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Re: Gear list for SoO

Postby Dazzlie » Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:40 am

Hey guys, so I got the Pig Sticker last night and I'm wondering if I should go for the WF normal on other weapons before getting heroic ones or should I stick to this one considering it's not upgradable?
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Re: Gear list for SoO

Postby aggixx » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:38 pm

If you can get your paws on a warforged normal weapon it is indeed better than the Pigsticker. A heroic weapon would be better than both of those options of course so if you've got other competitors maybe holding out for a heroic weapon isn't a bad choice.
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