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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:02 pm

Correct. In the UI, I've differentiated between "Scaling" and "Down-scaling" but I haven't implemented the Hit/Exp preserving down-scaling yet. I've given it a few attempts, but I wasn't able to find anything that could reproduce the in-game effect 100% of the time. Eventually, I'll have this working but at the moment, it's just normal scaling that overrides your individual gear item levels.

For simulation purposes, as long as you reforge after scaling, you're fine. But mapping those changes back or comparing them to in-game will not work as desired.

Additionally, I don't think I'm applying the scaling to the weapon swap, but I'll make that change eventually.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby JTF195 » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:20 pm

Is there any way to trick the reforger into preserving my hit/exp currently?

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:24 pm

JTF195 wrote:Is there any way to trick the reforger into preserving my hit/exp currently?

What are you trying to do?

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby JTF195 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:24 am

I was trying to use my RoR in Challenge Modes, but the reforger was trying to reforge for Hit/Exp caps, because it thinks down-scaled gear has much much less. (I actually blindly did a reforge, and ended up with about 13% hit and exp, and wasted 600g :P)

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Pessimist » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:38 pm

Been trying to use this as i started playing WW again and it does not find me when i search for the armory to import it.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/e ... s/advanced

This is me, yet when i put this into Zephyrus it says i cannot find any lvl 90 monk named Pess.
I am not sure what to do as this is the only way i know how reforge for RoO any help would be appreciated thanks.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:28 pm

Did you select EU? Finds you from "Pess" if I select "EU" in realm menu.

FYI, this reforging method is only recommended for WW for another week or so; 5.4 is just around the corner.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Pessimist » Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:59 am

I have EU selected i will try select something else then put it back to EU and see if that changes the result.
"EDIT" I Just deleted it and downloaded it again and it is working fine thanks for the help.

I understand that i will only get use out of it for this reset as yet again our mastery has been changed.....

Thanks for the quick response :)

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Tempo » Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:20 am

how do i get catus to properly reforge gear setups that don't have a RoR?, i'm assuming via the contrasints and weights tab but i'm a little confused on how that works

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:30 am

Download the beta, there is a new reforger that uses weights:
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Revised weights are still on the to-do list but the defaults are reasonable.
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:14 am

I've been trying to solve this FoN problem without making trinket specific logic for various trinket pairs.

I'm currently performing the following steps in Catus when you have FoN enabled:
1. I collect a few hundred thousand 1-sec samples of average FoN Rake damage (on a 93) using a simple mangle-spam rotation
2. I compute the sliding 60second maximum
3. I find the average-case maximum (that occurs per minute)
4. Then, I trigger FoN when current FoN Rake damage >= that threshold

This is mimics the custom trinket logic for almost all of the trinket pairs I've tried, and only fails to model the value of using FoN at the end of Rune. I'm currently trying to avoid needing additional Rune-specific logic, so I'm experimenting with a few more ideas.

I'm emulating ".react" by scheduling threshold-base FoN's in the future (+reaction time) rather than checking that current buff durations satisfy the reaction time.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Tempo » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:55 pm

the extra weapon gem slot isn't showing up for t16 weapons in the latest beta... working for the heirloom weapon though
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Tinderhoof » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:04 pm

For the T16 weapons that is by design. They are only allowing the Meta gem and Cloak to continue to work in T16. As for the BoA weapon accepting the gem slot that is kinda surprising. I would be shocked if they don't fix that.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:59 am

The goal is to get a working final release out tomorrow in preparation for 5.4.

This will be updated again, in a week or so, once Blizzard's API has reflected all of the final 5.4 items and all of the live 5.4 changes are verified.

I'm currently trying to figure out why I'm reporting higher DPS than simc, but for the most part, ability use, damage ranges, damage distribution match Aggixx's simc work. I was able to squash a ton of minor bugs today and improve some of the reporting.

Patchwerk encounter can now use my algorithm or Simc's 10%/20% variance algorithm.
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[DPS]
  Median:   438777
    Mean:   440720 +/- 200.27 (20027)
 25%/75%:   426.8K - 452.9K
 10%/90%:   416.8K - 467.3K
 Min/Max:   387.9K - 555.5K

[Duration]
  Median: 7.5m
    Mean: 7.5m
 25%/75%:     6.2m - 8.8m
 10%/90%:     5.9m - 9.2m
 Min/Max:     4.8m - 10m

[Damage Distribution]
Name                 Occ     #     Avg     Min     Max    Crit     #     Avg     Min     Max Overall
Rip`5              218.9   104  153847   59068  300088  52.34%   115  296960  118135  720212  25.30%
Rake#              145.7    69  165191   67540  354330  52.61%    77  317281  135080  850392  18.04%
Melee              601.2   272   28642   12661   49086  54.69%   329   68794   38620  117808  15.37%
Rake                53.9    26  153679   67540  354330  52.13%    28  298934  135080  850392   6.25%
Mangle              69.0    31  108147   67967  230960  55.14%    38  222043  135934  547624   5.96%
Thrash/Cat#        134.6    61   56145   23957  172121  54.78%    74  108590   47914  413091   5.77%
Multistrike        235.3   235   43811    4225  302587   0.00%     0       0       0       0   5.21%
Shred               36.0    16  143201   81560  278977  56.03%    20  304402  163122  666598   4.24%
Ferocious Bite`5    19.8     4  208394   58333  404083  80.87%    16  452881  135529  967239   4.06%
Flurry of Xuen#    251.5   114   18232   11278   30676  54.51%   137   38936   22556   73623   3.75%
Lightning Strike    61.3    28   69897   63162  106510  54.75%    34  148595  126325  255623   3.50%
Thrash/Cat          27.3    12   78205   33060  235802  54.63%    15  151812   66119  565924   1.63%
Stormlash           71.6    62   14122    7892   32572  13.01%     9   29178   15785   78167   0.58%
Ravage               1.0     0  230582  202850  258555  96.78%     1  553877  486717  620933   0.27%
Ferocious Bite`4     0.2     0  139649   65274  290149  78.01%     0  316746  120936  721592   0.03%
Ferocious Bite`3     0.2     0  106360   49090  204384  76.14%     0  229839   98342  475373   0.02%
Ferocious Bite`2     0.2     0   73040   32818  132393  78.22%     0  159771   65700  339386   0.01%
Ferocious Bite`1     0.1     0   36449   17201   67015  77.18%     0   80632   33225  153829   0.00%


580 BiS gear:
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-99328 +8 >me :95346 :76692                                 # Head: [574] Headpiece of the Shattered Vale
-105407 +8 >me                                              # Neck: [580] Immerseus' Crystalline Eye
-99322 +8 :76692 :76692 "Greater Tiger Claw Inscription"    # Shoulder: [574] Spaulders of the Shattered Vale
-102248 +8 :76692 "Goblin Glider" Accuracy                  # Back: [608] Fen-Yu, Fury of Xuen
-99326 +8 >ce :76692 :76692 :76692 "Glorious Stats"         # Chest: [574] Raiment of the Shattered Vale
-105616 +8 >mh "Greater Agility"                            # Wrist: [580] Bomber's Blackened Wristwatch
-99327 +8 >ct :76692 :76692 "Synapse Springs" "Greater Haste"# Hands: [574] Grips of the Shattered Vale
-105635 +8 >th :76692 :76658 :76692 Socket "Nitro Boosts"   # Waist: [580] Cord of Black Dreams
-105529 +8 >mh :76680 :76680 "Shadowleather Leg Armor"      # Legs: [580] Riou's Vigilant Leggings
-105582 +8 >mc :76680 "Blurred Speed"                       # Feet: [580] Pandaren Roofsprinters
-105624 +8 >mh :76692                                       # Finger 1: [580] Kil'ruk's Band of Ascendancy
-105558 +8 >ct :76692                                       # Finger 2: [580] Ring of Restless Energy
96918 +8                                                    # Trinket 1: [549] Rune of Re-Origination
-105527 +8                                                  # Trinket 2: [580] Haromm's Talisman
-105686 i582 >mc :76692 :76692 "Dancing Steel"              # Main Hand: [582] Hellscream's Pig Sticker

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:13 am

Releasing Catus as v15. I will probably update this again very soon as I'm not sure what is going to happen with tomorrows live push. It still needs some more changes but it's good enough for now.

Download: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/298 ... Latest.zip

First set of trinket results, more tomorrow:
(iteration count was low, so this table might not be stable)
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby spw » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:09 am

Might just be me but it seems the upgrade feature isn't working in v15. All my gear has their base values no matter what upgrade level is set.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:35 pm

Thanks. Simc data changed their format and I updated it at the last minute without checking it. Released v16.

I have a feeling that Blizzards item API is still borked and not updated for 5.4, so this will probably require another update. Currently, armory data is missing for any new 5.4 gear.

I'm probably just going to drop the Blizzard API dependance completely, it's just too broken.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Cetlysm » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:21 pm

How do you add randomized items?
http://www.wowhead.com/item=101918 for example.
edit: nvm I just added it on the cache
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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:48 pm

Oh thanks, I didn't know about those. I'll add all the suffix crap tonight and release another update along with other fixes.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby RareBeast » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:44 pm

*edit* My bad, just realised the colours don't actually mean the trinkets are non-epic :roll:

Would be really useful to include the 530 Rune in the table as I would imagine far more people have it than have the heroic version.


Thanks for your work on Catus though :) The more I play with it the more I like it.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Faelindae » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:52 am

Having a couple issues adding in legendary cloak/567 CDR on catus 16. The mastery/haste/crit ratio keeps showing as wrong when compared to ingame. Armory-http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/kiljaeden/Faelindae/advanced Items missing are http://www.wowhead.com/item=102248 2/2 Upgraded and http://www.wowhead.com/item=105223 2/2 Upgraded. Getting this for the ratio which is incorrect everytime when i do it ingame,
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Hit: 2819
Expertise: 2550
Mastery: 7389
Haste: 7380
Crit: 7387
Edit: Fixed it manually but its sorta unorthodox gems/enchants compared to proper ones shrug.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:44 am

OK, thanks for this report. I'll be releasing v17 later tonight: I've completely removed the Blizzard API dependance and moved over to my API so it's much easier to fix stuff when it breaks. I've also added all of the random-suffix Timeless Isle loot.

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Edit: oh I see you have stamina gems enabled
This doesn't match in-game?
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Hit: 2819, Expertise: 2550, Mastery: 7386, Haste: 7385, Crit: 7385

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Items: 2
        Back: [608] Fen-Yu, Fury of Xuen
   Trinket 2: [567] Assurance of Consequence (Warforged)

Upgrades: 2
        Back: [+2] 600 => +8 => 608
   Trinket 2: [+2] 559 => +8 => 567

Gems: 1
   (1) Delicate Primordial Ruby: +160 Agility

          Back/Gem#1: Delicate Primordial Ruby

Enchants: 2
        Back: Enchant Cloak - Superior Critical Strike: +180 Crit
        Back: Goblin Glider: Glide for 30sec on Use


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Head : HitRating -> MasteryRating
Neck : HitRating -> ExpertiseRating
Shoulders : HitRating -> HasteRating
Back : HasteRating -> ExpertiseRating
Chest : HasteRating -> MasteryRating
Wrists : CritRating -> MasteryRating
Hands : CritRating -> MasteryRating
Waist : MasteryRating -> HasteRating
Legs : HasteRating -> CritRating
Feet : ExpertiseRating -> MasteryRating
Ring1 : CritRating -> MasteryRating
Ring2 : HitRating -> ExpertiseRating
MainHand : HitRating -> HasteRating

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Faelindae » Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:10 am

It looked like that but when i matched it ingame, values were different by ~150. I'll try that one and see.

Edit: That one you linked was correct. Was unable to get it sorted out til now with a variety of different options. Any idea what caused the offset somehow so i can avoid it happening in coming weeks besides blizzard API not being updated to import?

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby raffy » Wed Sep 11, 2013 6:29 am

I don't know exactly what the problem was but hopefully Blizzard will fix the armory soon since it's very easy to make mistakes importing your gear manually, even with a functional interface. The issue appears to be fixed in this update.

I've released Catus v17: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/298 ... Latest.zip

This release should contain all of the Timeless, Leatherworking, Ordos, SoO Trash, and SoO Boss loot, along with T13 with working bonuses. ItemID's are being coerced into positive numbers, and negative numbers are no longer required to load 5.4 equipment.

Now that I'm no longer dependent on Blizzard API, the giant Simc file, and wowhead, I can include a default item database with each release. Boot time is also increased, and will be increased again soon, once I add batch downloading (when I update the item database.)

I added Gems to my Blizzard API clone, with much better functionality: Raffy vs Blizzard for Capacitive meta. I parse the stats into bonusStats and the corresponding spell effects into itemSpells.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Tremnen » Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:52 am

Have I mentioned that I love you recently?

Had to manually do my numbers because v16 wouldn't let me add the Ordos shoulder in and OMG what a nightmare that was. I appreciate all the work you do Raffy so so much.

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Re: Edgy/Raffy's Official Catus Thread

Postby Yriss » Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:55 am

I have V17, but i have some issues with legendary cloak. First, it's not import when i want to import my armory
Second, on my char screen it has 600 ilvl (? strange, i thought it was 608, it's already upgrade 2/2), and i have more stats than shown on catus (600 ilvl on catus without possibility to upgrade it)
Legendary on live server:
1855 agi
2902 stam
991 haste/crit/mastery
+ i red slot
on catus it's only
1716 agility
2694 stam
918 haste/crit/mastery

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