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Re: Pawkets' Feral DPS Guide / FAQ (Under Construction!)

Postby kerplunk101 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:33 am

Would anybody know which trinket goes best with a 530 RoR? I have a 543 Rentakkis that I use along with it. I'm assuming that I would be replacing the Rentakkis since RoR(even 530 ilvl) is BiS?

Feedback would great, thanks.

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Postby Spanja » Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:57 am

aggixx wrote:Please post any suggestions you may have, I would love to hear them.


Maybe you can add a few lines on how to sim ourselves as you mention it several times in the first post for people who doesn't already know ;)

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Re: Talent & Trinket Analysis (w/ Stat Weights!)

Postby Alpheus » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:15 am

Spanja wrote:
aggixx wrote:Please post any suggestions you may have, I would love to hear them.


Maybe you can add a few lines on how to sim ourselves as you mention it several times in the first post for people who doesn't already know ;)


If you click on the image it will take you directly to the SimC report where you can drill down to every parse's profile, which is what you paste into your own SimC to run it (assuming you have a vague idea of how to use SimC in general).
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Re: Pawkets' Feral DPS Guide / FAQ (Under Construction!)

Postby Triplebuses » Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:44 am

Hi,

Maybe a little off-topic, but I would appreciate to read more contributions from our finest Feral DPS in the Raid Strategies section of this forum !

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Re: Pawkets' Feral DPS Guide / FAQ (Under Construction!)

Postby Alpheus » Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:07 pm

Triplebuses wrote:Hi,

Maybe a little off-topic, but I would appreciate to read more contributions from our finest Feral DPS in the Raid Strategies section of this forum !

Tri.


It's a bit early for that. Most finest ferals will clear normal on week one and then go to heroics. Judging by last tier's updates it's gonna take a couple weeks to get to know all encounters.
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Re: Pawkets' Feral DPS Guide / FAQ (Under Construction!)

Postby Alpheus » Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:30 am

Did anyone on live test if FoN + DoC still works?
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Re: Pawkets' Feral DPS Guide / FAQ (Under Construction!)

Postby DomGF » Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:35 pm

Do you guys think is better to swap from Heroic Tier towards 2piece Tier16? Do you think we should allow other classes like rogues gear up before? Or should we actally rush the 2piece and eventually the 4th?

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Re: Pawkets' Feral DPS Guide / FAQ (Under Construction!)

Postby aggixx » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:31 am

As long as you don't have AoC, it should be a clear gain to switch from 4p to 2p+2p (normal mode). If you do it's a lot more complicated.
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Re: Pawkets' Feral DPS Guide / FAQ

Postby Димонтий » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:08 am

aggixx wrote: Frequently Asked Questions

 What's changed in patch 5.4?

If you're interested in specifics, check out these simulation results:
549 in BiS, 543 in BiS, 536 in BiS, 530/536/543 in normal mode


Force of Nature will not be better Soul of the Forest?

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Re: Pawkets' Feral DPS Guide / FAQ (Under Construction!)

Postby cg1351 » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:32 am

Alpheus wrote:Did anyone on live test if FoN + DoC still works?


Still works for the rake damage, doesnt effect melees(this it was like that on ptr too).

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Re: Pawkets' Feral DPS Guide / FAQ (Under Construction!)

Postby Zstriker » Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:03 pm

If you have a 536 or less Rune of Re-Origination, you'll likely want to replace Rune once you have 2 Siege of Orgrimmar trinkets. Again, if you want to be sure when you should or shouldn't replace Rune, you'll have to sim it for yourself, I can't possibly sim every combination of trinkets and gear.


I have 536 one, but I don't see it need to be replaced, it's procing rate quite good
is ~200 agility compared to hc version, make it so worse compare to SoO trinkets? or difference is really really low, but still those are ahead

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Re: Pawkets' Feral DPS Guide / FAQ (Under Construction!)

Postby Alpheus » Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:08 pm

Zstriker wrote:
If you have a 536 or less Rune of Re-Origination, you'll likely want to replace Rune once you have 2 Siege of Orgrimmar trinkets. Again, if you want to be sure when you should or shouldn't replace Rune, you'll have to sim it for yourself, I can't possibly sim every combination of trinkets and gear.


I have 536 one, but I don't see it need to be replaced, it's procing rate quite good
is ~200 agility compared to hc version, make it so worse compare to SoO trinkets? or difference is really really low, but still those are ahead


Rune's proc chance increases with its item level. Further, because of recent RPPM changes the HC TF one is guaranteed to proc on the pull while others aren't.
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Re: Pawkets' Feral DPS Guide / FAQ (Under Construction!)

Postby Stenhaldi » Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:21 pm

Just noting that RPPM mechanics are not working exactly the way Blizzard described them, and in fact, every RPPM effect procs within short order after the pull. Even UVLS, which shouldn't see its first proc until (on average) about a minute in, almost always procs within 10 seconds.

I don't know exactly what's going on. My best guess is that the "time since last chance to proc" is not resetting at all until after the first proc, but it would take way more time than I have right now to properly study this.

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Re: Pawkets' Feral DPS Guide / FAQ (Under Construction!)

Postby Zstriker » Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:58 pm

Alpheus wrote:
Zstriker wrote:
If you have a 536 or less Rune of Re-Origination, you'll likely want to replace Rune once you have 2 Siege of Orgrimmar trinkets. Again, if you want to be sure when you should or shouldn't replace Rune, you'll have to sim it for yourself, I can't possibly sim every combination of trinkets and gear.


I have 536 one, but I don't see it need to be replaced, it's procing rate quite good
is ~200 agility compared to hc version, make it so worse compare to SoO trinkets? or difference is really really low, but still those are ahead


Rune's proc chance increases with its item level. Further, because of recent RPPM changes the HC TF one is guaranteed to proc on the pull while others aren't.


ye but I see it proc really often, almost every 20sec , sometimes 2x times in row,
and I don't want it to be proced all the time, need some recovery for energy
I guess ye new rppm is kinda bugged

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Re: Pawkets' Feral DPS Guide / FAQ (Under Construction!)

Postby Kroníc » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:29 pm

Is anyone feeling like their energy regen is low or acting weird? I'm noticing I not able to keep dots up on 2 targets this tier like I could last tier.

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Re: Pawkets' Feral DPS Guide / FAQ (Under Construction!)

Postby Tinderhoof » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:25 pm

If you are proc'ing Rune as much as seems to be happening you will be ending up with less over all energy. Also if you swapped to FoN you will not be getting the SotF energy refunds.

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Re: Pawkets' Feral DPS Guide / FAQ (Under Construction!)

Postby Kroníc » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:31 pm

That would explain it. Thanks.

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Re: Pawkets' Feral DPS Guide / FAQ (Under Construction!)

Postby Azarri » Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:53 am

I will admit even when Rune hasn't procced for a decent period of time I do feel like energy regen seems slower, I'm running SotF and HotW. Maybe it's just me, if it is due to Rune I really can't wait to replace it...

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Re: Pawkets' Feral DPS Guide / FAQ (Under Construction!)

Postby Zstriker » Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:42 am

Azarri wrote:I will admit even when Rune hasn't procced for a decent period of time I do feel like energy regen seems slower, I'm running SotF and HotW. Maybe it's just me, if it is due to Rune I really can't wait to replace it...


I don't with same talents,
as I said before I have normal thunderforged ror procing alot thats the only reason I starve on energy sometimes
also there lots of encounters with adds that need switching with low hp which ferals suck on

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Re: Pawkets' Feral DPS Guide / FAQ (Under Construction!)

Postby aggixx » Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:20 am

Since it turns out Ghostcrawler was wrong and the heirloom weapons are not upgradable, I've adjusted the BiS list to include Halberd of Inner Shadows once again.
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Re: Pawkets' Feral DPS Guide / FAQ (Under Construction!)

Postby Ayleena » Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:34 pm

I dont have RoR, don't really feel like going back into normal or LFR to get one (it never dropped), and probably not going to do it on heroic. Should I be perfectly content to get the 553 (561) normal SoO trinkets?

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Re: Pawkets' Feral DPS Guide / FAQ (Under Construction!)

Postby aggixx » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:20 pm

Yeah there's nothing wrong with SoO trinkets, especially if you have no interest in going back and doing Heroic Lei Shen. Even a 549 Rune is only about 1% better than the alternatives.

PS: I hope to get the rest of the guide complete (or at least close to) sometime this weekend, school + new content progression has been keeping me pretty busy.
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Re: Pawkets' Feral DPS Guide / FAQ (Under Construction!)

Postby Ayleena » Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:43 pm

That's good to hear. RoR sounds like a pretty fun trinket, but at least never have to worry about min/maxing my stats to make it work properly.

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Re: Pawkets' Feral DPS Guide / FAQ (Under Construction!)

Postby Primalgore » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:20 am

Hey, my Shado-Pan assault rep trinket is actually simming ahead of my raid-finder RoR in most cases on Simulationcraft, and I won't be in a raid environment for a few days to test them out and see how they go, do you think it's worth sticking with the sims and replacing the raid-finder RoR for the Shao-Pan assault one? or should I just hold my horses and keep the raid finder RoR until I can get my hands on a SoO trinket? Cheers

edit: majority of the sims I've been running FoN & DoC

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Re: Pawkets' Feral DPS Guide / FAQ (Under Construction!)

Postby Alpheus » Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:32 am

Primalgore wrote:Hey, my Shado-Pan assault rep trinket is actually simming ahead of my raid-finder RoR in most cases on Simulationcraft, and I won't be in a raid environment for a few days to test them out and see how they go, do you think it's worth sticking with the sims and replacing the raid-finder RoR for the Shao-Pan assault one? or should I just hold my horses and keep the raid finder RoR until I can get my hands on a SoO trinket? Cheers

edit: majority of the sims I've been running FoN & DoC


Have you done full reforge for RoR when you did the sims?
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