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Re: Let's talk about logs (Gearing and Execution advise)

Postby Arnathis » Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:35 pm

I'm a little confused, has haste taken over as our strongest stat when in heroic gear? I looked up a bunch of the top people on logs for heroic baleroc 25 and most looked like they were going hast>crit>mastery. Im ranked in the top 100 myself for that fight but i was surprised to see so many with high levels of haste. Is this only ideal on baleroc cause its in essence a tank and spank? Also, I have the restabilizer, better to couple that with APS or H Hungerer you think?

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Re: Let's talk about logs (Gearing and Execution advise)

Postby Tinderhoof » Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:16 pm

Haste will give slightly more benefit on a stand up fight like Baleroc. However it isn't that huge. If you take a look at my gear (only so-so) with a heavy mastery build I ranked 50 on Balroc this week (now slipped to 60). If you feel comfortable with a heavy haste build it very well could get you some more DPS for Baleroc next week. Can't hurt to give it a shot.

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Re: Let's talk about logs (Gearing and Execution advise)

Postby Hollyrae » Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:46 pm

Just wanted to pop in and show the improvement that you guys helped me make. This is in the same gear and spec as last time, Baleroc N.

Potting and uptimes really helped me here. The one thing I noticed I did wrong is potting outside of Beserk.

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Re: Let's talk about logs (Gearing and Execution advise)

Postby Tinderhoof » Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:35 pm

Fantastic improvment! It looks like your dps output went up about 5k. With out having a major weapon upgrade that is pretty darn good. Bleeds are both above 90% and SR just under that.

Still to many mangles. Remember only one of you has to keep the buff up and you really dont' need more then 6 between the both of you for this fight. If you agree before hand who is going to handle it it makes things easier. Try trading FF and Mangle every few fights.

Glad to see how you are improving. Keep up the good work both of you.

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Re: Let's talk about logs (Gearing and Execution advise)

Postby Noctirus » Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:53 pm

Hi all, I am quite geared but am not pulling off the DPS expected of someone with my gears. It's been very frustrating, even upsetting as I've been playing this spec since I began WoW and this is causing me to lose motivation. Would appreciate all the advice I can get here. Please, tear these logs and character apart.

Logs
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1. H-Shannox: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-i ... 693&e=1989
Bear in mind I was in my secondary (hybrid spec for this); forgot to switch >.>)

2. H-Baleroc: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-i ... 924&e=5291

3. H-Beth'tilac: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-i ... 14&e=10127

Armoury: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/t ... s/advanced
^ At the time the logs were done, I was using the non-heroic T13 gloves.
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Re: Let's talk about logs (Gearing and Execution advise)

Postby Woem » Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:29 pm

Hi, new around here, just wondering if you could throw your eye over one of my Baleroc logs. Getting frustrated trying to keep up with the other feral logs I see. I do normally pre-pot but we had an excitable pull, meaning I didn't have the option of a 2nd beserked one. Any tips or criticism would be appreciated


http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-6 ... 15&e=12311



Edit: Also, anyone using Droodfocus noticing that when you clip rake or rip the timers don't always reflect the extension? 15 seconds instead of 17 etc

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Re: Let's talk about logs (Gearing and Execution advise)

Postby Puna » Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:58 pm

You did pre-pot on that pull, showing you have 48.1 seconds of the buff. anything over 25sec is double potting.

Nothing stands out, lady luck wasn't on your side with ooc procs really. 23 clearcastings
bleed uptimes are fine.
You fight length is almost 5 minutes, bad time for parses


I'm dangerously lazy after a week of midterms so I can't comment on you gear.
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Re: Let's talk about logs (Gearing and Execution advise)

Postby Lailoken » Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:48 am

Hey guys, so I finally got my Flamestick and I figured it was about time I stopped letting my guild drag me through Firelands and started pulling my weight, so I have been looking around for ways to improve my DPS. I just started looking into this tonight so I don't have any logs yet, haven't quite figured out how to get the world of logs thing working, but I was looking for some general tips. My gear is as follows:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/deathwing/Lailoken/advanced

And I think with it I should be doing a lot better than I am. After reading up on some things I apparently didn't really know what I was doing haha, especially as my Guilds only Feral DPS so I have been learning on the fly. So far I believe the following are things I need to focus on in my next raid:

Prepot (I have never done much with potting so this will take some getting used to)
Pop off TF right before I berserk
Berserk more in general (shoot for at least 2 per boss fight)
Try to pot for the second Berserk
Use TF (and my newly acquired APS) before refreshing Rips and Rakes if possible

I also just swapped my TF glyph for Berserk, from what I have seen this should help a lot now that its 25 seconds. I believe my bleed and SR up-times are ok, we will see how much I can improve on those once I figure out World of Logs.

Another question I had was concerning the t11 bonus. I still have my 11 chest/hands/legs, would it be worth swapping out one of my 12 pieces for an 11 to keep that bonus? I was thinking possibly the gloves.

Any other tips, or ideas for my gear would be greatly appreciated, and reading this thread has given me a lot to work on, its been very helpful!

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Re: Let's talk about logs (Gearing and Execution advise)

Postby Woem » Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:36 pm

Cheers for the look over. Yeah my bad on the pot, looked at count rather than duration. Unlikely to get a Di due to lock shortage and shadow priest preference. As for tricks they all go to the ele with legendary. Most likely for the lulz =_='. I'm sure when the Hc staff drops (Eventually) it will give a nice chunk towards a ranking spot

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Re: Let's talk about logs (Gearing and Execution advise)

Postby Aun » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:29 pm

Hi, i posted my log on another thread but since I havn't had any response, i figured I would come to this one. I am raiding FL with my guild but I always feel as if I could be pulling more dps.

Here is the log, I only have one because our group only just started using logs:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/mevt ... amageDone/
This was just one of our many many wipes on rag, we hav been pretty stuck on him even if we have been able to make it into the third phase. (also, the mage is usually at the top or second place in dps but she had her fishing pole on lol, so I am a bit lower on the dps-totem-pole then it would appear)

I would also post my armory but when I went to check it I had all my tank stuff on so hopefully by the time someone reads this, the armory woyld hav updated to show all my dps stuff instead.

Any advise is appreciated, Thanks in advance.

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Re: Let's talk about logs (Gearing and Execution advise)

Postby Puna » Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:08 pm

Sorry if we missed a log, we try and get to all of them but both Tinder and myself have been /stomped with work the last week and a bit.

Do you have any logs of boss kills? Comparing wipe parses have very limited uses for dps. However, i'll do what I can from your longest attempt on Rag. Also Link your armory b/c I am laaaazy, lol. Also the armory updates when you log out, so if you put on your pewpew gear, and then log out it will reflect that.

1) Rip and rake uptime are hard to judge b/c of the intermissions, individual guild positioning, and add on the fight so no current concrete comments, but they seem low. How are you tracking them?
2) You didn't berserk on the pull, but you did about 3 minutes in. was it on CD at the pull? I know that happens if you have a quick wipe and reset.
3) Why you no pot?
4) You didn't TF or use APS with your berserk. Doing so will greating improve burst during. Oh yeah, and pot during your berserk. Potion of the Tol'vir incase you didn't know.
5) The paladin in your group apparently forgot that the correct answer was "might" and was buffing kings :/. Might want to let him know.
6) you got hit by lava wave :evil: stop it.


BTW as a side not to all people who's parses I look at: I've been told I'm a bit cold/urbadbro on them, please don't take it that way. Everything I post is purely objective to your improvement as a feral. I know tinder is a big ol' softy, so hopefully he balances this out.


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Re: Let's talk about logs (Gearing and Execution advise)

Postby Rarge » Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:20 pm

Okay I've finally got a couple good logs where I don't think I made too many mistakes; would appreciate advice.

I am trying to get a power aura set up so I can easily tell when I can weave a bite in which I'm not really doing atm and I don't have feral 4pc yet.

Anyway here's the logs

Baleroc
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-gsxb4 ... 758&e=4964

Staghelm
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-gsxb4 ... 269&e=8550

and my armory

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/s ... e/advanced

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Re: Let's talk about logs (Gearing and Execution advise)

Postby Aun » Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:59 am

Okay, I have gotten a log with fights besides rag, who we havnt been able to kill.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/2wde1pyh3mu4kfhy/

I'm not sure how to break it up so you can see the individual fights, so I just gave one link. Also, we wiped quite a bit on some normally easy bosses, but thats mostly because we where two healing it and we only had one ranged in the group(except for the alt hunter were forced to bring in at one point).

Also, here is my armory:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/s ... n/advanced

Thank you for your advice, I have already started practicing the other suggestions Puna gave me before.

P.S. my cape isnt enchanted b/c I just won the loot in the log shown above, and I stop potting about halfway through the run because I was a bad raider and didnt stock up on them

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Re: Let's talk about logs (Gearing and Execution advise)

Postby Puna » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:11 pm

Rarge wrote:Okay I've finally got a couple good logs where I don't think I made too many mistakes; would appreciate advice.

I am trying to get a power aura set up so I can easily tell when I can weave a bite in which I'm not really doing atm and I don't have feral 4pc yet.

Anyway here's the logs

Baleroc
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-gsxb4 ... 758&e=4964

Staghelm
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-gsxb4 ... 269&e=8550

and my armory

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/s ... e/advanced



CDs are lined up, rip/rake are 95%+, and you double potted (although like 6 seconds prepull once? Jittery tank?)

And your reforging out of mastery into haste so change the gem in your pants from the agi/mastery --> agi/haste

Doing good, keep it up.

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Re: Let's talk about logs (Gearing and Execution advise)

Postby Puna » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:33 pm

Aun wrote:Okay, I have gotten a log with fights besides rag, who we havnt been able to kill.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/2wde1pyh3mu4kfhy/

I'm not sure how to break it up so you can see the individual fights, so I just gave one link. Also, we wiped quite a bit on some normally easy bosses, but thats mostly because we where two healing it and we only had one ranged in the group(except for the alt hunter were forced to bring in at one point).

Also, here is my armory:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/s ... n/advanced

Thank you for your advice, I have already started practicing the other suggestions Puna gave me before.

P.S. my cape isnt enchanted b/c I just won the loot in the log shown above, and I stop potting about halfway through the run because I was a bad raider and didnt stock up on them



aside from the potting, you're improving. bleed uptimes are still a bit low but that takes some practice or a better method of tracking them, have you tried Ovale with leafkillers script? If you decide to, to use leafs script go to his thread, copy the script, go in game type /ovale code, past in leafs script over the default one, and hit accept.

And your reforging is a bit sporadic. use www.wowreforge.com .You can alter the values at the bottom if you want to change stat weights but I believe the feral one is fine for someone without the 4set t12, just log out in the spec gear you want to change, then import on there and hit optimize.

You should macro your cds together, b/c it looks like your pressing them each individually

Berserk macro can look like (dont copy this I probably spelled things wrong, but shift click them from your spell book) This will line up all your cds and you'll spend less time finding buttons, you can macro in your pot as well with /use Potion of the Tol'vir, just make sure you're still pre-potting and hiting zerk in the first little bit.

/use Ancient Petrified Seed
/cast Tiger's Fury
/cast Berserk

and since TF has a 30s cd and APS is 1min you can macro them as well, so every other TF will have APS up for the full duration (good time to refresh bleeds with 1200 bonus agi, ftw)

/use Ancient Petrified Seed
/cast Tiger's Fury

so, TL:DR, get ovale, macro stuff for more win, optimize reforging, keep on trucking.

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Re: Let's talk about logs (Gearing and Execution advise)

Postby shinryu » Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:00 pm

Eh why not, someone actually kept a WoL for our raid for the first time...ever I think...not that we in our group really care about it much.

Anyways, here's the H Baleroc kill (finally got it after 14 tries, first time ever) and a H Staghelm kill, not gonna bother with the Rag one since it's not heroic, and I'm forced to Mangle on it, so naturally it's crap:

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/xidh89bt ... 632&e=8002
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/xidh89bt ... 408&e=8956

Note I'm looking for more generalized suggestions, like are my debuff uptimes ok, anything I could generally be doing better, etc etc. I honestly do not bother with pre-potting at all or even potting during the boss, to me since I'm just in a casual guild, that's pretty much a waste of gold to me; I understand hardcore ones might or if you really want to push numbers, but as I'm not in one (and really don't care about rankings) and we kill things comfortably enough anyways, why bother? My flask also died with about a min or 2 left on the Baleroc kill I believe, didn't even notice lol.

That's about it, only raiding addon I use is Ovale (only other 2 I have on are Omen and Recount), but it has an older version of Leafkiller's script, so I don't think it has whatever changes he made to improve bleed uptimes. My gearing is still Hit and Exp capped, then Mastery, Haste, Crit.

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Re: Let's talk about logs (Gearing and Execution advise)

Postby Squishes » Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:55 am

Hoping you guys can give me better advice than my bf can; he just says "you're fine" every time I ask him if I'm doing any better =| Anyway, feral's my OS which may as well be my MS for all of the 2 fights I get to heal on anymore, so I'm not as up-to-speed on it as I probably should be, but I try my best. We're currently working on H Rag and I just feel like I'm not pushing as much dps as I could on this fight. I feel like I do great on the other fights, just not this one.

Here's last night's logs:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-7gt7rx2dh3dee4v3/

I've recently switched my reforging over to hit/exp cap where before I was just plugging simcraft stat weightings into a reforging site and running with that. I also have switched in the Mangle glyph since p2 and the first portion of p3 has me stuck in front of the boss.

Last Monday's logs:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-3zagnp8yuk4kc55n/

I think this one was before I switched the glyph/reforging around, though I honestly can't remember when exactly I did that.

Any and all help would be appreciated =)

Edited because I forgot armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/d ... hes/simple
Although, the armory is off now from what those logs show since I got 4 upgrades last night.
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Re: Let's talk about logs (Gearing and Execution advise)

Postby Tinderhoof » Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:50 pm

shinryu wrote:Eh why not, someone actually kept a WoL for our raid for the first time...ever I think...not that we in our group really care about it much.

Anyways, here's the H Baleroc kill (finally got it after 14 tries, first time ever) and a H Staghelm kill, not gonna bother with the Rag one since it's not heroic, and I'm forced to Mangle on it, so naturally it's crap:

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/xidh89bt ... 632&e=8002
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/xidh89bt ... 408&e=8956

Note I'm looking for more generalized suggestions, like are my debuff uptimes ok, anything I could generally be doing better, etc etc. I honestly do not bother with pre-potting at all or even potting during the boss, to me since I'm just in a casual guild, that's pretty much a waste of gold to me; I understand hardcore ones might or if you really want to push numbers, but as I'm not in one (and really don't care about rankings) and we kill things comfortably enough anyways, why bother? My flask also died with about a min or 2 left on the Baleroc kill I believe, didn't even notice lol.

That's about it, only raiding addon I use is Ovale (only other 2 I have on are Omen and Recount), but it has an older version of Leafkiller's script, so I don't think it has whatever changes he made to improve bleed uptimes. My gearing is still Hit and Exp capped, then Mastery, Haste, Crit.


Hi Shinryu.

Before I begin I would like to express my disappointment in how you brought your question to the table. Asking us for help to improve your performance and then telling us you are going to ignore at least some of the advice we give you because it’s too much trouble is disrespectful. Looking at logs and providing write ups does not take an insignificant amount of time. Now it's something I enjoy doing, and I am happy to do so for such a great community that has given me plenty of help. If you want to improve I will help you. Just don't treat my time like isn't worth your effort.

Gear:
It looks like you are trying to get every socket bonus you can. As a result you are trading 50 agility for 40 mastery and 60 hit. This is a losing proposition. At this moment you do not have any gear that is worth getting socket bonuses. You should replace all of your purple and orange gems with 40 agi gems.

Spec:
I am not sure why you took 3/3 Thick Hide. Are you tanking encounters or do you have this for Hero Bear situations?

Baleroc:
Your Rake uptime was good, but Rip uptime was below 90%. With almost 100% uptime you should be able to keep Rip in the low 90s. One thing that hurt you the most was you opened with Berserk/TF/Seed. As a result you are wasting the 60 energy that TF gives you. Under Berserk that is 3 shreds. Also when you started off it took almost 15 seconds for you to get Rip going. While under Berserk + Ravage it really should only take 4-5 GCD’s for it to start. Same with Rake. I find it helpful to open like “Pre Pot, FC, Mangle, Rake, SR, Shred till energy below 30 then TF/Berserk/Seed and Rip at 5 combo points. If you don’t have 5 use your Ravage and then Rip. In that case you will have a Pot/Seed/and TF all boosting that first Rip. In your case you may have gotten it off before Seed dropped, but it was close and you didn’t get TF. It looks like right in between your second and third Seed that you delayed TF for 20 seconds. It wasn’t when you had countdown so I am not sure what happened. Try not to lose energy of course, but don’t put TF that long if you can help it. As your guild is still hitting 6 minutes you could have Berserked a 3rd time. If you know you are going to beat 6 minutes hold your second Berserk and potion until sub 25%. Potions aren’t that expensive, so don’t slack here. It can make the difference between an enrage wipe and a kill.

Staghelm:
Rake uptime was pretty decent but Rip was again below 90%. It is harder to keep both up higher on this fight because of the leaps. With as much master as you have you should be refreshing Rip/Rake early if you know the next leap or 2 leaps (if he is around 5 leaps) will run out. The biggest part of this encounter is keeping Legendary Concentration as long as possible. You took a LOT of avoidable damage which lead to only 59% uptime. According to the logs you got hit by an Orb, Leaping Flames, and took 13 Flame Scythes. Now it looks like your guild takes a lot of swipes on purpose, but Orb Damage and Leaping flames shouldn’t be hitting you. It looks like you held a Berserk for sub 25% which is good. During the middle of the fight you shouldn’t hit Berserk if you don’t have Legendary Concentration. If you just got hit hold Berserk off till you get back up to full. Same with using your second potion, don’t use it if you just got hit.

Good luck on Beth.

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Re: Let's talk about logs (Gearing and Execution advise)

Postby Puna » Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:02 pm

Btw for any kitties doing Heroic Fandral: go bear form while you stack for seeds. Seeds doesn't target tanks, and for druids it goes by form, not talents. Huzzuh for 100% legendary concentration uptime.

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Re: Let's talk about logs (Gearing and Execution advise)

Postby shinryu » Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:38 pm

Tinderhoof wrote:
shinryu wrote:Eh why not, someone actually kept a WoL for our raid for the first time...ever I think...not that we in our group really care about it much.

Anyways, here's the H Baleroc kill (finally got it after 14 tries, first time ever) and a H Staghelm kill, not gonna bother with the Rag one since it's not heroic, and I'm forced to Mangle on it, so naturally it's crap:

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/xidh89bt ... 632&e=8002
http://worldoflogs.com/reports/xidh89bt ... 408&e=8956

Note I'm looking for more generalized suggestions, like are my debuff uptimes ok, anything I could generally be doing better, etc etc. I honestly do not bother with pre-potting at all or even potting during the boss, to me since I'm just in a casual guild, that's pretty much a waste of gold to me; I understand hardcore ones might or if you really want to push numbers, but as I'm not in one (and really don't care about rankings) and we kill things comfortably enough anyways, why bother? My flask also died with about a min or 2 left on the Baleroc kill I believe, didn't even notice lol.

That's about it, only raiding addon I use is Ovale (only other 2 I have on are Omen and Recount), but it has an older version of Leafkiller's script, so I don't think it has whatever changes he made to improve bleed uptimes. My gearing is still Hit and Exp capped, then Mastery, Haste, Crit.


Hi Shinryu.

Before I begin I would like to express my disappointment in how you brought your question to the table. Asking us for help to improve your performance and then telling us you are going to ignore at least some of the advice we give you because it’s too much trouble is disrespectful. Looking at logs and providing write ups does not take an insignificant amount of time. Now it's something I enjoy doing, and I am happy to do so for such a great community that has given me plenty of help. If you want to improve I will help you. Just don't treat my time like isn't worth your effort.

Gear:
It looks like you are trying to get every socket bonus you can. As a result you are trading 50 agility for 40 mastery and 60 hit. This is a losing proposition. At this moment you do not have any gear that is worth getting socket bonuses. You should replace all of your purple and orange gems with 40 agi gems.

Spec:
I am not sure why you took 3/3 Thick Hide. Are you tanking encounters or do you have this for Hero Bear situations?

Baleroc:
Your Rake uptime was good, but Rip uptime was below 90%. With almost 100% uptime you should be able to keep Rip in the low 90s. One thing that hurt you the most was you opened with Berserk/TF/Seed. As a result you are wasting the 60 energy that TF gives you. Under Berserk that is 3 shreds. Also when you started off it took almost 15 seconds for you to get Rip going. While under Berserk + Ravage it really should only take 4-5 GCD’s for it to start. Same with Rake. I find it helpful to open like “Pre Pot, FC, Mangle, Rake, SR, Shred till energy below 30 then TF/Berserk/Seed and Rip at 5 combo points. If you don’t have 5 use your Ravage and then Rip. In that case you will have a Pot/Seed/and TF all boosting that first Rip. In your case you may have gotten it off before Seed dropped, but it was close and you didn’t get TF. It looks like right in between your second and third Seed that you delayed TF for 20 seconds. It wasn’t when you had countdown so I am not sure what happened. Try not to lose energy of course, but don’t put TF that long if you can help it. As your guild is still hitting 6 minutes you could have Berserked a 3rd time. If you know you are going to beat 6 minutes hold your second Berserk and potion until sub 25%. Potions aren’t that expensive, so don’t slack here. It can make the difference between an enrage wipe and a kill.

Staghelm:
Rake uptime was pretty decent but Rip was again below 90%. It is harder to keep both up higher on this fight because of the leaps. With as much master as you have you should be refreshing Rip/Rake early if you know the next leap or 2 leaps (if he is around 5 leaps) will run out. The biggest part of this encounter is keeping Legendary Concentration as long as possible. You took a LOT of avoidable damage which lead to only 59% uptime. According to the logs you got hit by an Orb, Leaping Flames, and took 13 Flame Scythes. Now it looks like your guild takes a lot of swipes on purpose, but Orb Damage and Leaping flames shouldn’t be hitting you. It looks like you held a Berserk for sub 25% which is good. During the middle of the fight you shouldn’t hit Berserk if you don’t have Legendary Concentration. If you just got hit hold Berserk off till you get back up to full. Same with using your second potion, don’t use it if you just got hit.

Good luck on Beth.

I didn't mean for it to come off as I'm ignoring advice or disrespectful, I just wanted to point out that I already know that pre-potting and potting during a fight are DPS increases, and that I don't follow them, so I just wanted to mention that in case something looked lower than expected in the logs. Didn't mean to disrespectful or anything...

For my spec, I took 3/3 Thick Hide largely out of my own personal preference, there's really no other pure dps increasing talents in the feral tree, and it's not like 3/3 Perseverance would help out my survivability any more than without it really (I reason it out this way, just about no other dps class even has the option nor do they take it usually, and my defensive CDs alone are better than most anyways). It does (rarely) help out in hero bearing or learning a fight (for example, back when Nef was new, I would tank the adds in P1 instead of having to break up the group or have someone kite them, and of course being able to temporarily hold a boss while avoiding crushing blows), but way back when I dinged 85 or so, I originally took it for the help it gave in soloing elites, like with the Problim daily in TB (back when gear was 346 or lower). Just never really bothered changing it as there's really no compelling reason to.

For Baleroc, my thought was that given the fight was 6 minutes, I wanted to try something new (since we were hitting the enrage timer) by using Berserk/TF/Seed before the pull; that way I would be able to squeeze out more initial cheap attacks from Berserk, then Berserk itself would come off CD still twice during the encounter itself. Was thinking it might squeeze out a bit more damage in the end instead, as instead of having only 2 Berserks, I was trying to make it so that I had essentially 2 and a half or so, though that really didn't work out I guess.

For Staghelm, I guess I failed to mention that after the initial scorpion phase, my raid makes me stack with them on all subsequent scorpion phases; it's really more of a leftover relic from how we initially downed him, but overall it does make it a tad easier to heal through as well I suppose. Guess I could talk to them about standing out all the time, as one of the mages we have is out on every phase, and he still manages less DPS than I do...the Orb, I did get knicked by one since it spawned in a rather bad location, and I think the flaming leaps was due to a slow stack to force him back to scorpion (not really sure on that one, I obviously don't chase him after he leaps onto someone lol).

Thanks for your advice, I'll definitely try for better Rip uptimes and regemming, though I thought the general rule of thumb was, if the socket bonus was +20 agil or so that it was worth matching sockets for?

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Re: Let's talk about logs (Gearing and Execution advise)

Postby Tinderhoof » Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:01 pm

Squishes wrote:Hoping you guys can give me better advice than my bf can; he just says "you're fine" every time I ask him if I'm doing any better =| Anyway, feral's my OS which may as well be my MS for all of the 2 fights I get to heal on anymore, so I'm not as up-to-speed on it as I probably should be, but I try my best. We're currently working on H Rag and I just feel like I'm not pushing as much dps as I could on this fight. I feel like I do great on the other fights, just not this one.

Here's last night's logs:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-7gt7rx2dh3dee4v3/

I've recently switched my reforging over to hit/exp cap where before I was just plugging simcraft stat weightings into a reforging site and running with that. I also have switched in the Mangle glyph since p2 and the first portion of p3 has me stuck in front of the boss.

Last Monday's logs:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-3zagnp8yuk4kc55n/

I think this one was before I switched the glyph/reforging around, though I honestly can't remember when exactly I did that.

Any and all help would be appreciated =)

Edited because I forgot armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/d ... hes/simple
Although, the armory is off now from what those logs show since I got 4 upgrades last night.

Hi Squishes. Welcome to the community.

First off let me guess you boyfriend is Squashes? In general the Rag wipe parses are very hard to read and get a full idea of what is going on. Because we have to swap targets so often and because different guilds have different positioning it's usually hard to tell if you are having issues with the mechanics or that is just what your guild has you do. I have a few generic suggestions.
* Because you are working on Heroic don't use the Mangle glyph. Your overall DPS isn't inportent. What is importent is the P3 burn and getting as few meteors as possible. In this phase there should be no reason you can't get in a shred position. You don't have to get completely behind him, even a little to the left or right of the raid stack should be ok.
* Because the P3 burn is so critical save your potion and make sure Berserk will be up. Also dont' use either until the first world in flames of P3 has finished. That will give you the longest uninterrupted time for all out shred face.

I will keep looking to see if I can find some specific pointers.
-Tinder.

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Re: Let's talk about logs (Gearing and Execution advise)

Postby Squishes » Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:30 pm

Yes, my boyfriend is indeed Squashes.

I put the Mangle glyph in because they ended up changing positioning on me in p3 where my bf wants us all to just stack in front of Rag in the center, including me (I did ask him about that before I made the glyph switch). This is because we were having some issues with the meteor spawns when the raid just split in half to each side. We still haven't gotten it down to just one meteor in p3, but last night we made some good steps towards that goal (within 4% of transitioning when the second meteor spawned vs the ~10% we were at before). At any rate, he rearranged us so that when the meteor spawns, if it's on a melee they kite it as far left as possible and the rest of us move to the right a bit as a group (mostly to get away from the burning area left by smash so we can dance WiF easier); if it's on a ranged, they just kick it away asap.

I guess I'm really just hoping to find out if I'm failing by a large margin with dpsing while moving, or if I just really need to get a 391 weapon and/or the domo trinket to replace my Fluid Death (or would APS be a better option than FD for this fight since that p3 burn is all that really matters?) before I can expect to push better numbers.

We also blow heroism as soon as we're stacked up after Rag finishes transitioning to p3, and that's when I've been blowing my second zerk/pot. Should I still hold it off even if it won't line up with hero, or should I see if my boyfriend is willing to delay the hero until after that first WiF?

Edit: Also, thanks for taking the time with me despite the extra difficulty of only having wipe logs to look at =)

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Consitincy with DPS

Postby Cayssaris » Thu Oct 27, 2011 1:14 pm

Hey! i hope its okay for me to do this, if not merge it/whatever :)
1.)Armory:http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/steamwheedle-cartel/Cayssaris/simple
I feel as if need to change a few things, so I won't be surprised there

2.) I am having problems keeping my DPS consistent from week to week One week I'll pull 29-30k on a boss and the next I'll barely break 26k after burn phase. I have some positional flukes here and there, a little to twitchy on H Bale. Really I'm just trying to find a way to stabilize my dps, and maybe bring it up a few points.
2a.) this not including H Domo where i almost hit 60k and almost pull threat off the tank.


3.H Shannox: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-n ... 528&e=1811
I forgot to Flask (D'OH) and pretty laggy for that fight
H Bale(No kill):http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-n9l4z58ql2ysj3yh/details/9/?enc=bosses&boss=53494

Aly: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-x ... boss=52530
H Domo: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-x ... boss=52571
Im outside for the initial burn phase for Scorpion, and maybe the sequential as of this next raid reset.

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Re: Let's talk about logs (Gearing and Execution advise)

Postby Tinderhoof » Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:01 pm

Hi Cayssaris, I merged your post here to keep it under one topic. No big deal I just like to have it all in one place. I will have a look later today.

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Re: Let's talk about logs (Gearing and Execution advise)

Postby shinryu » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:49 am

Ok so here's my latest bit of gearing conundrum and how to progress from here (6/7 heroic)...for starters, armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/n ... aki/simple

This week I just got the H Breastplate of the Incendiary Soul (http://www.wowhead.com/item=71455) off Baleroc, so to use it, I was thinking of using the tier helm I just got tonight over the current reg rhyolith one. However, our odds of getting H Rag down are...well...not good...not to mention there's like 5 of us rolling on the 1 token, I only just got it now since everyone else won it. Not to mention the H chest token drops from an easy H Alysrazor fight. So in terms of gear progression, I may never see the H tier helm token, but if I stick with upgrading the gear I have now (would mean waiting on H Rhyolith helm to drop and H chest token from Alys), that seems easier doesn't it? I'd eventually end up with helm/chest/legs/shoulders/gloves in some heroic version, compared to if I use the tier helm, which would leave the chest/legs/gloves/shoulders as heroic, but not likely ever the helm.

So to that end, do I bother using helm + H baleroc chest as the offset? Or would I be better waiting for a H Rhyolith Helm and H chest token from Alysrazor? I mean, loosing the large amounts of Exp from the helm and chest I have now would be costly to start with in terms of reforging, and I'm wondering it would even come out ahead in terms of stats over the H baleroc chest and tier helm combo eventually?

If anyone has some insight into this, thanks in advance :D

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